OT: intent...WAS Re: [Re: Oh baby!]

[jsoutherland16@attbi.com (Jeff Southerland)]

I desperately  tried to avoid stepping into this one, as it has no real end.
My only comment is that 9-11 was a an "act of aggression" -read premeditated
and military in nature- toward the United States. Let us not forget the
plane that didn't make it's destination, thanks to a handful of most
courageous souls, and the plane that struck the Pentagon. Two military
targets -The White House and the Pentagon-and one civilian- the World Trade
Center. The White House should be considered a presidential assassination
attempt.  Need we any more reason for decisive military action, in defense
of our country? I think not. Oh and about the US making friends in Europe, I
love European cars, but don't really care about making friends. This is not
about oil in my opinion, it's about an out of control dictator, who should
have already been dealt with. Thank you for reading.
Jeff


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Basterfield" <list@cemetery.homeunix.org>
To: "Shawn c Meze" <skerocdriver@juno.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: OT: intent...WAS Re: [Re: Oh baby!]


> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:37:22 -0800
> Shawn c Meze <skerocdriver@juno.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh, do tell me how it is oil that is on Bush's agenda?
> > Does anyone not realize its the French and Germans who have a vested
> > interest in the oil of Iraq? (Also note that these are the 2 biggest
> > anti Iraq war countries, coincidence? no.)
>
> The French & German IMHO want no disruption in oil supply short-term.
> The US is looking for control long term. I'm sure the US consumes much
> more oil/capita than either France or Germany, and the US natural oil
> resources are running out making the US increasingly dependant on the
> Middle East.
>
> > So if it is a war for oil its for those 2 countries. If it was Oil we
> > were after dont you think we would of just taken it from the Kuwait
> > after the gulf war?
>
> The US could not just take oil from the Saudis, doing so would be an act
> of aggression. If the US was not dependent on the Saudis for oil they
> would not have bailed them out in Desert Storm. I'm sure the Saudis show
> their gratitude for Desert Storm in trade relations with the US. The
> Bush family business (apart from presidency) is oil, and I'm sure in the
> Bush family the Iraq issue is personal.
>
> > Im kinda sick of hearing about how its for oil for
> > the US. I watched a French news broadcast of their views on the US's.
> > Sickening. Allies? With friends like the French, they might as well
> > join the doomed Iraqi's in their trenches. Wont be a long war, trust
> > me.
>
> Public opinion of the US is not good in Europe. Before 11 sep the Bush
> administration did not try to make friends in Europe. After his previous
> isolationist behaviour Bush now has little support from the UN. In
> Europe we preferred Clinton.
>
> > And today in the German news paper they printed a statement from
> > German companies that admit to selling and shipping equipment to make
> > WMD's under the pretenses that they were "agricultural equipment".
> > Thanks for that.
>
> The US has supplied arms to Iraq to fight Iran.
>
> > The UN is a joke. The french want another resolution and more
> > inspectors. What a complete waste of time. How many resolutions does
> > one madman need to blatently ignore, lie and decieve before the UN
> > does something? DOES ANYTHING? The UN is spineless. Time to desolve
> > the UN.
>
> You can't resolve situations by force, you just make a bigger mess. The
> UN was set up so all member nations act as one in these situations. The
> US knows if it goes into Iraq against the wishes of the other members of
> the UN it will do so by itself and will damage it's relations with the
> international community. The US wants to lead the UN into battle as in
> Desert Storm, but without UN support it may yet turn into another
> Vietnam.
>
> The UN is not spineless or the US would ignore it and attack anyway. All
> the members of the UN have a commitment to piece, that includes the US
> and it means it just can't go invading people.
>
> > Dont get me wrong, I dont want a war but im not willing to stand by
> > and wait for his plans to come into focus. We did nothing befoer 9-11
> > happened. Never again.
>
> 11 sep was unrelated to war in Iraq.
>
> --Andrew22
>
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