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No. Channeling the body DOWNwards on the chassis.
Like we used to do the old '32 Fords and '49 Mercs.
Sort of the opposite of a truck body lift....
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vince Royer=20
To: L F ; Neal Tovsen ; Drew Teague ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: Suspension travel modification?
You mean channelling all the mounting points upwards?
-----Original Message-----
From: L F [mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net]
Sent: December 25, 2002 6:19 AM
To: vince@performancecarstereo.com; Neal Tovsen; Drew Teague; =
scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Suspension travel modification?
One-word answer to your problem:
channel
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vince Royer=20
To: Neal Tovsen ; Drew Teague ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Suspension travel modification?
I would love to modify my suspension travel so that I can tuck all =
my wheels
deep into my fenders and still have stock-like handling. mmmm...
I figure I would have to rework the front upper strut mounts, =
notch the
frame, and somehow modify the pickup points as mentioned below to =
save the
geometry from getting too screwed up. I think that would be dope.
Vince
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Neal Tovsen
> Sent: December 24, 2002 11:57 AM
> To: Drew Teague; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: Suspension travel modification?
>
>
> > Is there a
> > suspension setup that
> > would effectively increase the suspension travel for
> > off-road applications?
> > That would be worth doing, even if not to race, just
> > to off-road. It would
> > be nice to be able to use larger tires, too. (clear
> > the wheelwells?)
> > Something tells me it might end up taking a decent
> > amount of fabrication.
>
> Well, the A1 suspension travel really isn't all that
> short. If you want to see an example of a short-travel
> suspension, take a look at a Neon sometime.
>
> However, it isn't very long either, and as we
> discussed, there are much better choices than an A1
> for rally or off-road use. The Subaru Impreza, for
> example, has HUGE suspension travel compared to the
> Scirocco (gee...maybe that has something to do with a
> certain WRC design strategy!).
>
> The Scirocco's droop suspension travel could be
> lengthened with custom extra-long struts, but I would
> guess that it would cause toe and camber problems if
> you extend the control arm too much further down than
> stock.
>
> You could theoretically also increase the bump
> suspension travel quite a ways without hitting the
> fender with the tire as long as you don't run a huge
> tire. Running a shorter body strut would give you some
> extra travel. However, you'll find that the limiting
> factor is when the driveshaft contacts the frame rail,
> especially on the longer passenger side shaft. This is
> a major headache for Street-Prepared autocross cars
> who can't lower the car like they want. The
> Prepared-class autocrossers are allowed to notch the
> frame rail and reinforce it to allow for more bump
> travel.
>
> I'm personally considering mimicing the Golf Syncro
> front driveshaft layout (without the differential)
> someday in the future for my Street Modified Scirocco.
> It actually utilizes equal-length CV joints by
> relocating the passenger side CV ouboard closer to the
> framerail (mirroring the driver's side). With the CV
> joint moved to near the frame rail, you can get more
> upward articulation before the driveshaft contacts the
> frame.
>
> In the end, it is difficult to modify a strut
> suspension for longer travel than it was designed for.
> The dynamic camber and toe changes make things
> difficult unless you plan to relocate the strut and
> control arm pickup points...
>
> Neal
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No. Channeling the body DOWNwards on =
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chassis.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Like we used to do the old '32 Fords =
and '49=20
Mercs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sort of the opposite of a truck body=20
lift....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com"=20
title=3Dvince@performancecarstereo.com>Vince Royer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net"=20
title=3Drocco16v@netzero.net>L F</A> ; <A =
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com"=20
title=3Dnealtovsen@yahoo.com>Neal Tovsen</A> ; <A=20
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title=3Droccnroll@hotmail.com>Drew=20
Teague</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 25, =
2002 8:08=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Suspension travel=20
modification?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D975570716-25122002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>You=20
mean channelling all the mounting points upwards?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> L F [<A=20
=
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<B>Sent:</B>=20
December 25, 2002 6:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com";>vince@performancecarstereo=
.com</A>;=20
Neal Tovsen; Drew Teague; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR><B=
>Subject:</B>=20
Re: Suspension travel modification?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One-word answer to your =
problem:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>channel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com"=20
title=3Dvince@performancecarstereo.com>Vince Royer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com"; =
title=3Dnealtovsen@yahoo.com>Neal=20
Tovsen</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:roccnroll@hotmail.com"=20
title=3Droccnroll@hotmail.com>Drew Teague</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 24, =
2002 1:15=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Suspension =
travel=20
modification?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I would love to modify my suspension travel so that =
I can=20
tuck all my wheels<BR>deep into my fenders and still have =
stock-like=20
handling. mmmm...<BR><BR>I figure I would have to rework the =
front=20
upper strut mounts, notch the<BR>frame, and somehow modify the =
pickup=20
points as mentioned below to save the<BR>geometry from getting too =
screwed=20
up. I think that would be dope.<BR><BR>Vince<BR><BR><BR>> =
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.o=
rg</A><BR>>=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
Behalf Of Neal Tovsen<BR>> Sent: December 24, 2002 11:57 =
AM<BR>> To:=20
Drew Teague; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t;=20
Subject: Re: Suspension travel =
modification?<BR>><BR>><BR>> >=20
Is there a<BR>> > suspension setup that<BR>> > would=20
effectively increase the suspension travel for<BR>> > =
off-road=20
applications?<BR>> > That would be worth doing, even if not =
to race,=20
just<BR>> > to off-road. It would<BR>> > be nice =
to be=20
able to use larger tires, too. (clear<BR>> > the=20
wheelwells?)<BR>> > Something tells me it might end up =
taking a=20
decent<BR>> > amount of fabrication.<BR>><BR>> Well, =
the A1=20
suspension travel really isn't all that<BR>> short. If you want =
to see=20
an example of a short-travel<BR>> suspension, take a look at a =
Neon=20
sometime.<BR>><BR>> However, it isn't very long either, and =
as=20
we<BR>> discussed, there are much better choices than an =
A1<BR>> for=20
rally or off-road use. The Subaru Impreza, for<BR>> example, =
has HUGE=20
suspension travel compared to the<BR>> Scirocco (gee...maybe =
that has=20
something to do with a<BR>> certain WRC design=20
strategy!).<BR>><BR>> The Scirocco's droop suspension travel =
could=20
be<BR>> lengthened with custom extra-long struts, but I =
would<BR>>=20
guess that it would cause toe and camber problems if<BR>> you =
extend=20
the control arm too much further down than<BR>> =
stock.<BR>><BR>>=20
You could theoretically also increase the bump<BR>> suspension =
travel=20
quite a ways without hitting the<BR>> fender with the tire as =
long as=20
you don't run a huge<BR>> tire. Running a shorter body strut =
would give=20
you some<BR>> extra travel. However, you'll find that the=20
limiting<BR>> factor is when the driveshaft contacts the frame=20
rail,<BR>> especially on the longer passenger side shaft. This=20
is<BR>> a major headache for Street-Prepared autocross =
cars<BR>> who=20
can't lower the car like they want. The<BR>> Prepared-class=20
autocrossers are allowed to notch the<BR>> frame rail and =
reinforce it=20
to allow for more bump<BR>> travel.<BR>><BR>> I'm =
personally=20
considering mimicing the Golf Syncro<BR>> front driveshaft =
layout=20
(without the differential)<BR>> someday in the future for my =
Street=20
Modified Scirocco.<BR>> It actually utilizes equal-length CV =
joints=20
by<BR>> relocating the passenger side CV ouboard closer to =
the<BR>>=20
framerail (mirroring the driver's side). With the CV<BR>> joint =
moved=20
to near the frame rail, you can get more<BR>> upward =
articulation=20
before the driveshaft contacts the<BR>> frame.<BR>><BR>> =
In the=20
end, it is difficult to modify a strut<BR>> suspension for =
longer=20
travel than it was designed for.<BR>> The dynamic camber and =
toe=20
changes make things<BR>> difficult unless you plan to relocate =
the=20
strut and<BR>> control arm pickup points...<BR>><BR>>=20
Neal<BR>><BR>>=20
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