[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
Merry Christmas
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2AC14.98A615E0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i got 3 bucks on the cable :)
they then to corrode like mad !!!
i replaced mine already :)
GL
----- Original Message -----=20
From: L F=20
To: vince@performancecarstereo.com ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas
Five bucks says it IS the battery....
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vince Royer=20
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: Merry Christmas
Well, my gf and I were just about to head out to our hometown to =
celebrate with our parents. Go out to the car this morning, and =
surprise! Car won't start! So I guess I've got a tired starter. It =
seems to start slower and slower the colder it gets, but right now it =
can barely muster 1 crank per second. My lights are all nice and =
bright so I don't think it's the battery. Time to switch to an a2 =
diesel starter and see what it's all about!
I guess we'll be enjoying Christmas aboard the skytrain this year.
HOHOHO!
Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org =
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Vince Royer
Sent: December 25, 2002 8:09 AM
To: L F; Neal Tovsen; Drew Teague; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: Suspension travel modification?
You mean channelling all the mounting points upwards?
-----Original Message-----
From: L F [mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net]
Sent: December 25, 2002 6:19 AM
To: vince@performancecarstereo.com; Neal Tovsen; Drew Teague; =
scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Suspension travel modification?
One-word answer to your problem:
channel
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vince Royer=20
To: Neal Tovsen ; Drew Teague ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Suspension travel modification?
I would love to modify my suspension travel so that I can tuck =
all my wheels
deep into my fenders and still have stock-like handling. =
mmmm...
I figure I would have to rework the front upper strut mounts, =
notch the
frame, and somehow modify the pickup points as mentioned below =
to save the
geometry from getting too screwed up. I think that would be =
dope.
Vince
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Neal =
Tovsen
> Sent: December 24, 2002 11:57 AM
> To: Drew Teague; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: Suspension travel modification?
>
>
> > Is there a
> > suspension setup that
> > would effectively increase the suspension travel for
> > off-road applications?
> > That would be worth doing, even if not to race, just
> > to off-road. It would
> > be nice to be able to use larger tires, too. (clear
> > the wheelwells?)
> > Something tells me it might end up taking a decent
> > amount of fabrication.
>
> Well, the A1 suspension travel really isn't all that
> short. If you want to see an example of a short-travel
> suspension, take a look at a Neon sometime.
>
> However, it isn't very long either, and as we
> discussed, there are much better choices than an A1
> for rally or off-road use. The Subaru Impreza, for
> example, has HUGE suspension travel compared to the
> Scirocco (gee...maybe that has something to do with a
> certain WRC design strategy!).
>
> The Scirocco's droop suspension travel could be
> lengthened with custom extra-long struts, but I would
> guess that it would cause toe and camber problems if
> you extend the control arm too much further down than
> stock.
>
> You could theoretically also increase the bump
> suspension travel quite a ways without hitting the
> fender with the tire as long as you don't run a huge
> tire. Running a shorter body strut would give you some
> extra travel. However, you'll find that the limiting
> factor is when the driveshaft contacts the frame rail,
> especially on the longer passenger side shaft. This is
> a major headache for Street-Prepared autocross cars
> who can't lower the car like they want. The
> Prepared-class autocrossers are allowed to notch the
> frame rail and reinforce it to allow for more bump
> travel.
>
> I'm personally considering mimicing the Golf Syncro
> front driveshaft layout (without the differential)
> someday in the future for my Street Modified Scirocco.
> It actually utilizes equal-length CV joints by
> relocating the passenger side CV ouboard closer to the
> framerail (mirroring the driver's side). With the CV
> joint moved to near the frame rail, you can get more
> upward articulation before the driveshaft contacts the
> frame.
>
> In the end, it is difficult to modify a strut
> suspension for longer travel than it was designed for.
> The dynamic camber and toe changes make things
> difficult unless you plan to relocate the strut and
> control arm pickup points...
>
> Neal
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
> http://mailplus.yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Scirocco-l mailing list
> Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l
>
_______________________________________________
Scirocco-l mailing list
Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2AC14.98A615E0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2722.900" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>i got 3 bucks on the cable =
:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>they then to corrode like mad =
!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>i replaced mine already :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>GL</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drocco16v@netzero.net href=3D"mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net";>L =
F</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dvince@performancecarstereo.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com";>vince@performancecarstereo=
.com</A>=20
; <A title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 25, =
2002 11:56=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Merry =
Christmas</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Five bucks says it IS the=20
battery....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dvince@performancecarstereo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com";>Vince Royer</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 25, =
2002 8:16=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Merry =
Christmas</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Well, my gf and I were just about to head out to our =
hometown=20
to celebrate with our parents. Go out to the car this morning, =
and=20
surprise! Car won't start! So I guess I've got a tired=20
starter. It seems to start slower and slower the colder =
it gets,=20
but right now it can barely muster 1 crank per second. =
My lights=20
are all nice and bright so I don't think it's the battery. =
Time to=20
switch to an a2 diesel starter and see what it's all=20
about!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
guess we'll be enjoying Christmas aboard the skytrain this=20
year.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>HOHOHO!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Vince</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org =
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Vince Royer<BR><B>Sent:</B> December 25, 2002 8:09=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> L F; Neal Tovsen; Drew Teague;=20
scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Suspension travel=20
modification?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D975570716-25122002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>You mean channelling all the mounting points=20
upwards?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> L F=20
[mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> December 25, 2002 =
6:19=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> vince@performancecarstereo.com; Neal Tovsen; =
Drew=20
Teague; scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
Suspension travel=20
modification?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One-word answer to your=20
problem:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>channel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dvince@performancecarstereo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com";>Vince Royer</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dnealtovsen@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com";>Neal Tovsen</A> ; <A=20
title=3Droccnroll@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:roccnroll@hotmail.com";>Drew=20
Teague</A> ; <A title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December =
24, 2002=20
1:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Suspension =
travel=20
modification?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I would love to modify my suspension travel so =
that I=20
can tuck all my wheels<BR>deep into my fenders and still have=20
stock-like handling. mmmm...<BR><BR>I figure I would =
have to=20
rework the front upper strut mounts, notch the<BR>frame, and =
somehow=20
modify the pickup points as mentioned below to save =
the<BR>geometry=20
from getting too screwed up. I think that would be=20
dope.<BR><BR>Vince<BR><BR><BR>> -----Original =
Message-----<BR>>=20
From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.o=
rg</A><BR>>=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
Behalf Of Neal Tovsen<BR>> Sent: December 24, 2002 11:57 =
AM<BR>>=20
To: Drew Teague; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t;=20
Subject: Re: Suspension travel =
modification?<BR>><BR>><BR>>=20
> Is there a<BR>> > suspension setup that<BR>> =
> would=20
effectively increase the suspension travel for<BR>> > =
off-road=20
applications?<BR>> > That would be worth doing, even if =
not to=20
race, just<BR>> > to off-road. It would<BR>> =
> be=20
nice to be able to use larger tires, too. (clear<BR>> > =
the=20
wheelwells?)<BR>> > Something tells me it might end up =
taking a=20
decent<BR>> > amount of fabrication.<BR>><BR>> =
Well, the=20
A1 suspension travel really isn't all that<BR>> short. If =
you want=20
to see an example of a short-travel<BR>> suspension, take a =
look at=20
a Neon sometime.<BR>><BR>> However, it isn't very long =
either,=20
and as we<BR>> discussed, there are much better choices =
than an=20
A1<BR>> for rally or off-road use. The Subaru Impreza, =
for<BR>>=20
example, has HUGE suspension travel compared to the<BR>> =
Scirocco=20
(gee...maybe that has something to do with a<BR>> certain =
WRC=20
design strategy!).<BR>><BR>> The Scirocco's droop =
suspension=20
travel could be<BR>> lengthened with custom extra-long =
struts, but=20
I would<BR>> guess that it would cause toe and camber =
problems=20
if<BR>> you extend the control arm too much further down=20
than<BR>> stock.<BR>><BR>> You could theoretically =
also=20
increase the bump<BR>> suspension travel quite a ways =
without=20
hitting the<BR>> fender with the tire as long as you don't =
run a=20
huge<BR>> tire. Running a shorter body strut would give you =
some<BR>> extra travel. However, you'll find that the=20
limiting<BR>> factor is when the driveshaft contacts the =
frame=20
rail,<BR>> especially on the longer passenger side shaft. =
This=20
is<BR>> a major headache for Street-Prepared autocross =
cars<BR>>=20
who can't lower the car like they want. The<BR>> =
Prepared-class=20
autocrossers are allowed to notch the<BR>> frame rail and =
reinforce=20
it to allow for more bump<BR>> travel.<BR>><BR>> I'm=20
personally considering mimicing the Golf Syncro<BR>> front=20
driveshaft layout (without the differential)<BR>> someday =
in the=20
future for my Street Modified Scirocco.<BR>> It actually =
utilizes=20
equal-length CV joints by<BR>> relocating the passenger =
side CV=20
ouboard closer to the<BR>> framerail (mirroring the =
driver's side).=20
With the CV<BR>> joint moved to near the frame rail, you =
can get=20
more<BR>> upward articulation before the driveshaft =
contacts=20
the<BR>> frame.<BR>><BR>> In the end, it is difficult =
to=20
modify a strut<BR>> suspension for longer travel than it =
was=20
designed for.<BR>> The dynamic camber and toe changes make=20
things<BR>> difficult unless you plan to relocate the strut =
and<BR>> control arm pickup points...<BR>><BR>>=20
Neal<BR>><BR>>=20
__________________________________________________<BR>> Do =
you=20
Yahoo!?<BR>> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign =
up=20
now.<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"http://mailplus.yahoo.com";>http://mailplus.yahoo.com</A><BR>><=
BR>>=20
_______________________________________________<BR>> =
Scirocco-l=20
mailing list<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t;=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l";>http://neubayer=
n.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l</A><BR>><BR><BR><BR>________________=
_______________________________<BR>Scirocco-l=20
mailing list<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR><A=
=20
=
href=3D"http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l";>http://neubayer=
n.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOC=
KQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2AC14.98A615E0--