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Five bucks says it IS the battery....
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vince Royer=20
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: Merry Christmas
Well, my gf and I were just about to head out to our hometown to =
celebrate with our parents. Go out to the car this morning, and =
surprise! Car won't start! So I guess I've got a tired starter. It =
seems to start slower and slower the colder it gets, but right now it =
can barely muster 1 crank per second. My lights are all nice and =
bright so I don't think it's the battery. Time to switch to an a2 =
diesel starter and see what it's all about!
=20
I guess we'll be enjoying Christmas aboard the skytrain this year.
=20
HOHOHO!
=20
Vince
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org =
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Vince Royer
Sent: December 25, 2002 8:09 AM
To: L F; Neal Tovsen; Drew Teague; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: Suspension travel modification?
You mean channelling all the mounting points upwards?
-----Original Message-----
From: L F [mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net]
Sent: December 25, 2002 6:19 AM
To: vince@performancecarstereo.com; Neal Tovsen; Drew Teague; =
scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Suspension travel modification?
One-word answer to your problem:
channel
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vince Royer=20
To: Neal Tovsen ; Drew Teague ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Suspension travel modification?
I would love to modify my suspension travel so that I can tuck =
all my wheels
deep into my fenders and still have stock-like handling. =
mmmm...
I figure I would have to rework the front upper strut mounts, =
notch the
frame, and somehow modify the pickup points as mentioned below =
to save the
geometry from getting too screwed up. I think that would be =
dope.
Vince
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Neal Tovsen
> Sent: December 24, 2002 11:57 AM
> To: Drew Teague; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: Suspension travel modification?
>
>
> > Is there a
> > suspension setup that
> > would effectively increase the suspension travel for
> > off-road applications?
> > That would be worth doing, even if not to race, just
> > to off-road. It would
> > be nice to be able to use larger tires, too. (clear
> > the wheelwells?)
> > Something tells me it might end up taking a decent
> > amount of fabrication.
>
> Well, the A1 suspension travel really isn't all that
> short. If you want to see an example of a short-travel
> suspension, take a look at a Neon sometime.
>
> However, it isn't very long either, and as we
> discussed, there are much better choices than an A1
> for rally or off-road use. The Subaru Impreza, for
> example, has HUGE suspension travel compared to the
> Scirocco (gee...maybe that has something to do with a
> certain WRC design strategy!).
>
> The Scirocco's droop suspension travel could be
> lengthened with custom extra-long struts, but I would
> guess that it would cause toe and camber problems if
> you extend the control arm too much further down than
> stock.
>
> You could theoretically also increase the bump
> suspension travel quite a ways without hitting the
> fender with the tire as long as you don't run a huge
> tire. Running a shorter body strut would give you some
> extra travel. However, you'll find that the limiting
> factor is when the driveshaft contacts the frame rail,
> especially on the longer passenger side shaft. This is
> a major headache for Street-Prepared autocross cars
> who can't lower the car like they want. The
> Prepared-class autocrossers are allowed to notch the
> frame rail and reinforce it to allow for more bump
> travel.
>
> I'm personally considering mimicing the Golf Syncro
> front driveshaft layout (without the differential)
> someday in the future for my Street Modified Scirocco.
> It actually utilizes equal-length CV joints by
> relocating the passenger side CV ouboard closer to the
> framerail (mirroring the driver's side). With the CV
> joint moved to near the frame rail, you can get more
> upward articulation before the driveshaft contacts the
> frame.
>
> In the end, it is difficult to modify a strut
> suspension for longer travel than it was designed for.
> The dynamic camber and toe changes make things
> difficult unless you plan to relocate the strut and
> control arm pickup points...
>
> Neal
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Five bucks says it IS the =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com"=20
title=3Dvince@performancecarstereo.com>Vince Royer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 25, =
2002 8:16=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Merry Christmas</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Well, my gf and I were just about to head out to our =
hometown to=20
celebrate with our parents. Go out to the car this morning, and=20
surprise! Car won't start! So I guess I've got a tired=20
starter. It seems to start slower and slower the colder it =
gets,=20
but right now it can barely muster 1 crank per second. My =
lights=20
are all nice and bright so I don't think it's the battery. Time =
to=20
switch to an a2 diesel starter and see what it's all=20
about!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>I=20
guess we'll be enjoying Christmas aboard the skytrain this=20
year.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>HOHOHO!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D051151316-25122002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Vince</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org =
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]<B>On=20
Behalf Of </B>Vince Royer<BR><B>Sent:</B> December 25, 2002 8:09=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> L F; Neal Tovsen; Drew Teague;=20
scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Suspension travel=20
modification?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D975570716-25122002><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>You mean channelling all the mounting points=20
upwards?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> L F=20
[mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> December 25, 2002 =
6:19=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> vince@performancecarstereo.com; Neal Tovsen; Drew =
Teague;=20
scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Suspension travel=20
modification?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One-word answer to your =
problem:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>channel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com"=20
title=3Dvince@performancecarstereo.com>Vince Royer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com"; =
title=3Dnealtovsen@yahoo.com>Neal=20
Tovsen</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:roccnroll@hotmail.com"=20
title=3Droccnroll@hotmail.com>Drew Teague</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December =
24, 2002=20
1:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Suspension =
travel=20
modification?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I would love to modify my suspension travel so =
that I can=20
tuck all my wheels<BR>deep into my fenders and still have =
stock-like=20
handling. mmmm...<BR><BR>I figure I would have to rework =
the front=20
upper strut mounts, notch the<BR>frame, and somehow modify the =
pickup=20
points as mentioned below to save the<BR>geometry from getting =
too=20
screwed up. I think that would be=20
dope.<BR><BR>Vince<BR><BR><BR>> -----Original =
Message-----<BR>>=20
From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.o=
rg</A><BR>>=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
Behalf Of Neal Tovsen<BR>> Sent: December 24, 2002 11:57 =
AM<BR>>=20
To: Drew Teague; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t;=20
Subject: Re: Suspension travel =
modification?<BR>><BR>><BR>>=20
> Is there a<BR>> > suspension setup that<BR>> > =
would=20
effectively increase the suspension travel for<BR>> > =
off-road=20
applications?<BR>> > That would be worth doing, even if =
not to=20
race, just<BR>> > to off-road. It would<BR>> > =
be nice=20
to be able to use larger tires, too. (clear<BR>> > the=20
wheelwells?)<BR>> > Something tells me it might end up =
taking a=20
decent<BR>> > amount of fabrication.<BR>><BR>> Well, =
the A1=20
suspension travel really isn't all that<BR>> short. If you =
want to=20
see an example of a short-travel<BR>> suspension, take a look =
at a=20
Neon sometime.<BR>><BR>> However, it isn't very long =
either, and=20
as we<BR>> discussed, there are much better choices than an=20
A1<BR>> for rally or off-road use. The Subaru Impreza, =
for<BR>>=20
example, has HUGE suspension travel compared to the<BR>> =
Scirocco=20
(gee...maybe that has something to do with a<BR>> certain WRC =
design=20
strategy!).<BR>><BR>> The Scirocco's droop suspension =
travel could=20
be<BR>> lengthened with custom extra-long struts, but I =
would<BR>>=20
guess that it would cause toe and camber problems if<BR>> you =
extend=20
the control arm too much further down than<BR>>=20
stock.<BR>><BR>> You could theoretically also increase the =
bump<BR>> suspension travel quite a ways without hitting =
the<BR>>=20
fender with the tire as long as you don't run a huge<BR>> =
tire.=20
Running a shorter body strut would give you some<BR>> extra =
travel.=20
However, you'll find that the limiting<BR>> factor is when =
the=20
driveshaft contacts the frame rail,<BR>> especially on the =
longer=20
passenger side shaft. This is<BR>> a major headache for=20
Street-Prepared autocross cars<BR>> who can't lower the car =
like they=20
want. The<BR>> Prepared-class autocrossers are allowed to =
notch=20
the<BR>> frame rail and reinforce it to allow for more =
bump<BR>>=20
travel.<BR>><BR>> I'm personally considering mimicing the =
Golf=20
Syncro<BR>> front driveshaft layout (without the=20
differential)<BR>> someday in the future for my Street =
Modified=20
Scirocco.<BR>> It actually utilizes equal-length CV joints =
by<BR>>=20
relocating the passenger side CV ouboard closer to the<BR>> =
framerail=20
(mirroring the driver's side). With the CV<BR>> joint moved =
to near=20
the frame rail, you can get more<BR>> upward articulation =
before the=20
driveshaft contacts the<BR>> frame.<BR>><BR>> In the =
end, it is=20
difficult to modify a strut<BR>> suspension for longer travel =
than it=20
was designed for.<BR>> The dynamic camber and toe changes =
make=20
things<BR>> difficult unless you plan to relocate the strut=20
and<BR>> control arm pickup points...<BR>><BR>>=20
Neal<BR>><BR>>=20
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