Shine rear swaybar dimension & metallurgical advice needed + (ATTN: Ron P.

[haygood at myway.com (Brian Haygood)]

Wow, you should really warn the southerners before you post pictures with that much rust :P  Remind me to rag on Ben for not painting the bar.



How did it get bent?  Was that a jack related incident or did it suffer some permanent deformation in use?  Has anyone bothered to check how far the bars we are concoccting can twist elastically?



Brian - not volunteering to check stress on the bars. :)









 --- On Sun 08/06, Don Walter < dswalterwi@gmail.com > wrote:

From: Don Walter [mailto: dswalterwi@gmail.com]

To: rapieper@yahoo.com

     Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org, verboten@michiganvw.org

Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:53:15 -0500

Subject: Re: Shine rear swaybar dimension & metallurgical advice needed +	(ATTN: Ron P.



Here are pictures of the Ron and Ben's Rear Axle Bar.  Hope they are good as<br>I had to Jack my car way up to get them.  You may see some torsional effect<br>of the bar from being jack up from one side.  Hope this helps everyone.<br><br>http://scirocco.dyn.dhs.org/vw/list/Don_Walter/RearAxle-Shrine/<br><br><br>On 8/5/06, Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>><br>> 2.5" U channel, 5/8" depth, 5/16" thick.<br>><br>> Can't upload to my corner of Al's space...so here's what I had written:<br>><br>> -qty. (4) 3/8-16 bolts, 1" long, with nuts, washers, lockwashers, all SAE<br>> Grade 8 (forgive us for<br>> not using Metric-sized fasteners)<br>> -We drilled two 3/8" dia. holes in each end, 1" in from the end (therefore<br>> 39" apart), 0.75" in<br>> from the sides (therefore 1" apart, centered in the channel).<br>> -For protection, I like Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer (even though the<br>> metal was not rusty), then<br>> some Rustoleum Hammer Finish paint.  I chose gray.  You 
go nuts.<br>> -The bar was positioned as shown on the leading edge of the trailing arm,<br>> centered fore/aft and<br>> side/side. It was clamped in place with C-clamps and the hole locations in<br>> the bar were<br>> transferred to the trailing arm.<br>> -The material in the trailing arm is not as nasty as we'd been led to<br>> believe.  You can go through<br>> with the 3/8" drill without pilot drilling; however pilot drilling will<br>> increase accuracy as the<br>> 3/8" drill may want to wander a bit, even if the location has been<br>> centerpunched or centerdrilled.<br>><br>> -We then bolted the rearmost  hole first, then the forwardmost, for each<br>> side.<br>> -Done.<br>><br>> The cool thing about this bar is that it takes no welding or other<br>> fabricating, just hacksawing<br>> and drilling.  Ben and I wanted to make sure that anyone could build one<br>> of these, and we've met<br>> that goal.  Also, differing rates of torsional stiffness can be acheived<br>> simply 
by changing the<br>> spec of the bar...use a different size piece of channel.  We decided on<br>> the bolt pattern so that<br>> we could go to different sizes easily, and swap bars between our cars.<br>><br>> HTH<br>><br>> Ron<br>><br>> --- Allyn <amalventano1@tds.net> wrote:<br>><br>> > IIRC, it was either 2" or 2.5" 'u' channel.<br>> > Al<br>> ><br>> > > -----Original Message-----<br>> > > From: Mark F. [mailto:mk1mark@gmail.com]<br>> > > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 7:59 PM<br>> > > To: Allyn<br>> > > Cc: Rick Kellner; scirocco list<br>> > > Subject: Re: Shine rear swaybar dimension & metallurgical<br>> > > advice needed + (ATTN: Ron P.)<br>> > ><br>> > > On 8/4/06, Allyn <amalventano1@tds.net> wrote:<br>> > > > Ron used a 'different' piece of steel for that task.<br>> > > > I don't think its on rons site.  I dug around the files<br>> > > locally (his site is on this system), and came up nill.<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > I found one of Ron's posts on the subject in the 
archives,<br>> > > but the link to the pic no longer exists.  IIRC he used a<br>> > > piece of channel, right?  Ron, if you're around, got any<br>> > > pics/specs?  Did you ever get to directly compare it to a<br>> > > Shine bar on the track?<br>> > ><br>> > > Thanks!<br>> > ><br>> > > Mark.<br>> > > 75<br>> > > 82 - in search of stiff ass end<br>> > > 82 Caddy<br>> > > 93 Chevy/Kia 1/2 ton<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Scirocco-l mailing list<br>> > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org<br>> > http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l<br>> ><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> __________________________________________________<br>> Do You Yahoo!?<br>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around<br>> http://mail.yahoo.com<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Scirocco-l mailing list<br>> Scirocco-l@scirocco.org<br>> http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l<br>><br><br><br><br>-- <br>Don Walter - 
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