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1.8T pistons in a 16v motor

Subject: 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
From: derrickmd18 at verizon.net (Derrick Floyd)
Date: Thu Sep 25 02:40:22 2003
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yup.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Ewing" <MK1Scirocco16v@comcast.net>
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor


> Are you planning to put this in an Mk2????
>
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Derrick Floyd" <derrickmd18@verizon.net>
> To: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>; "Dan Smith" <sad_rocc@yahoo.com>;
> <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
>
>
> > yea its in my plan to do.  I going to install the tec 2 on the current
> motor
> > then dyno tune it.  then lower compression and turbo it with only 5 psi.
> > then build the race motor.  I  only have 3 1.8T pistons and rods so I'm
> just
> > going to get some turbo pistons with stock bore from vortex when someone
> > sells them.  forged pistons on 16v rods will support about 350-400hp so
> its
> > STRAIGHT.  I think I can get some forged pistons for $350 on there.  How
> was
> > the tec 2 to get started?  I'm planning on going up to NGP to have them
> dyno
> > tune it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
> > To: "Derrick Floyd" <derrickmd18@verizon.net>; "Dan Smith"
> > <sad_rocc@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
> >
> >
> > > Hey Derrick, this is that asshole Dan! The other Dan!
> > > I'd like to make one suggestion.
> > > Install and tune the TEC II on your current engine, then go over to
the
> > new
> > > engine.
> > > The reason I suggest this is when you first fire up an engine with the
> TEC
> > > II the mixture can be way off. and it'd be a pain to screw up the
rings
> > and
> > > pistons during breakin in the new engine if you inadvertantly inject
too
> > > much fuel and wash down the cylinder walls.
> > > Better to get the TEC II in the ballpark with the old engine since
> messing
> > > it up wouldn't matter as much.
> > > Maybe that was already you're plan, but thought I'd mention it based
on
> a
> > > couple of short attempts at firing up Scott Williams' 16V on TEC II.
It
> > was
> > > running eye-watering rich for quite some time before we could get it
in
> > the
> > > ballpark.
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Derrick Floyd" <derrickmd18@verizon.net>
> > > To: "Dan Smith" <sad_rocc@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 7:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
> > >
> > >
> > > > yea.  I looked at the pistons in a 1.8T at work today with the head
> off
> > > and
> > > > I looked at a spare 16v bottom end and the pistons top are totally
> > > resigned
> > > > differently.  the 16v has valve relief on top of the pistons and the
> > 1.8T
> > > > ones don't.  the 1.8T pistons are dished a little on the top.  From
my
> > > > estimated look at both pistons I don't think I can use them unless I
> get
> > > > valve relief's put in the pistons.  I could be wrong.  I took apart
> the
> > > 1.8T
> > > > motor today and found out why it was stuck in a corner at work.  it
> has
> > a
> > > > hole in the side of the block from #2 rod.  all the other rods and
> > pistons
> > > > are ok except for #2.  so I'm thinking about finding some Audi 20v
> > pistons
> > > > or looking for some used forged 16v pistons.
> > > > I have mostly all the parts to go boost right now if I want to rush
> > things
> > > > (oil pan tapped, oil lines, tec 2, turbo, manifold, intercooler,
etc.
> > so
> > > I
> > > > have mostly everything.  Plus I have a headgasket set with 2 ABA
> > > headgaskets
> > > > to lower compression.  my thing is I have maintance work to do first
> > > before
> > > > I install Stand alone engine management.  I have to re do my front
> > > > suspension, control arm bushings, tranny, and other work.  when I'm
> done
> > I
> > > > 'm going to install the tec 2 and drive it for a month on the motor
> I'm
> > > > building then install the turbo equipment.  the only reason why I'm
> not
> > > > turboing my stock motor is because I have 160K on it.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dan Smith" <sad_rocc@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 6:42 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Derrick, if you're still even reading this, don't feel bad, I do
the
> > > exact
> > > > same thing. I think I've changed my mind 10+ times on what I will do
> for
> > > an
> > > > engine swap for my mk1 and I have yet to actually commit to
anything.
> > > (Sorry
> > > > Anson, I'll buy the knock sensor stuff from you someday and Brian, I
> > > > apologize but I still plan on getting the battery relocation kit,
> > someday)
> > > > Sometimes, what I want to do and what I think would be sweet gets
> ahead
> > of
> > > > what I can do and what is really honest reality. But it doesn't hurt
> to
> > > ask
> > > > questions such as the one you did, at least in my mind, because you
> > learn
> > > > something new and that opens (or closes) another option in the huge
> > world
> > > of
> > > > modding. And besides, if the silly high hp stock VW motor is the way
> you
> > > > really want to go, over time you'll learn what you need to to make
it
> > > > happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason why we are here is to help others (and get some help
once
> > in
> > > a
> > > > > while) through the experiences of our own not to tell someone what
> > they
> > > > lack
> > > > > personally. I think this message would of been perfect if it
weren't
> > for
> > > > > the slam on Derrick's level of VW knowledge. We all started
> somewhere
> > > and
> > > > I
> > > > > find myself learning faster when I get in over my head a little!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Derrick Floyd"
> > > > > > To: "scirocco mailing list"
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:46 PM
> > > > > > Subject: 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bore stroke disp rod wrist pin
> > > > > > 16v 81.0 86.4 1781 48 144 20 33.4 -5 220 10:1
> > > > > > 20v 81.0 86.4 1781 48 144 22 32.8 0.0 220 9.15:1
> > > > > > think they will fit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanted to build a motor with stock vw parts that I can boost
to
> > > 350hp.
> > > > > > Because the way I look at it a 16v bottom end has forged crank,
> some
> > > BIG
> > > > > boy
> > > > > > rods and cast pistons. so If I can use 1.8T forged pistons I'll
> have
> > a
> > > > > > somewhat STRONG bottomend. so if it works the bottomend is done
> and
> > I
> > > > can
> > > > > > send the head out to get P&P and some valve springs and some
turbo
> > > cams
> > > > > and
> > > > > > hit Killa up for a t3/t4 with the biggest wheel I can get in it
> and
> > > I'll
> > > > > > have a motor that is capable of running 11 sec all day long with
> > stock
> > > > vw
> > > > > > parts. My biggest problem is if they will fit. I mean anything
> 9:5.1
> > > and
> > > > > > under will be suitable for me. I have a TEC 2 right now about to
> go
> > > into
> > > > a
> > > > > > stock 16v motor.
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References:
- 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
  - From: sad_rocc at yahoo.com (Dan Smith)
- 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
  - From: derrickmd18 at verizon.net (Derrick Floyd)
- 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
  - From: jdbubb at ix.netcom.com (Dan Bubb)
- 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
  - From: derrickmd18 at verizon.net (Derrick Floyd)
- 1.8T pistons in a 16v motor
  - From: MK1Scirocco16v at comcast.net (Dave Ewing)

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