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2.0L 8V HP was: cincy 2k+4 photo collection request /hosting - update
At 11:09 AM 6/12/2003, Jason wrote:
>With 257hp to the wheels in his 1.8T, Josh Ables should see about 157mph /
>253 km/h in his 1.8T (without the wing of course). He added more than 150
>wHP compared to a stock 1.8 16V, and got only 34mph for his troubles. The
>15 or so wHP that you get from swapping a 2.0 16V in place of a 1.8 16V
>will only get you about 7mph (11 km/h).
Oops -- my bad. That was with ideal gearing. With stock gearing, a 2.0
will get you precisely ONE mph more than the 1.8....
Jason
>First thing's first though: Dyno the car, send me the numbers, and I'll
>get back to you. :-)
>Jason
>
>
>
>
>>Dan
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Patrick Bureau <txrocco@sbcglobal.net>
>> > To: Jason <jason@scirocco.org>
>> > Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:13 PM
>> > Subject: RE: cincy 2k+4 photo collection request / hosting - update
>> >
>> >
>> > > Well how about I tell you the 2L hybrid has a 4-2-1 exhaust 2" pipe not
>> > cat to bosal muffler, lightened flywheel, and a G grind cam in it. audi
>>500
>> > TB with knock box etc..
>> > >
>> > > wheel are 15x7 / 205/50/15 v rated.
>> > >
>> > > I was not toped out at 224KPH @ 6400 we ran into traffic...
>> > > calculate again please : )
>> > >
>> > > Jason <jason@scirocco.org> wrote:
>> > > At 04:40 PM 6/11/2003, Patrick Bureau wrote:
>> > > Oh Jason I was not taking it that way, but now you got me intrigued.
>> > > Cool. :)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > well if ya get all technical on me then you tell me...
>> > > I'll do my best...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 3.67 final gear tranny 9a. and I was at 6400RPM
>> > > K, that's a 3.67 R+P and an 0.89 5th.
>> > > With a stock tire size, 6400rpm would put you right at 210 km/h. (Which
>> > is miraculously -- and admittedly completely coincidentally -- close to
>>the
>> > 211 I said in the last mail...)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > maybe I need to find a cop.... he can tell me... (grin) could be worth
>> > it...
>> > > then again I could just get a dyno...
>> > > Yeah, the cop might not be such a good idea. <smirk>
>> > > But a dyno run is always the best way to know. :)
>> > >
>> > > Okay, if your car actually topped out at 6400rpm in 5th / 210 km/h, we
>>can
>> > estimate how much power you were putting to the ground (assuming, again,
>> > stock tire size and aerodynamics)...
>> > >
>> > > Calculation:
>> > > You'd need about 1590N of force to the ground to combat that air and
>> > rolling resistance... which would equal ~450Nm of force to your wheels,
>> > which would equal ~332 Lb-Ft of torque at your wheels, which would be
>>about
>> > 101.5 lb-ft of torque when reduced by your gearing. 101.5 lb-ft of torque
>> > at 6400rpm = 123.8 hp.
>> > >
>> > > Result:
>> > > You'd need (very approximately) 124hp @ 6400rpm to the wheels to achieve
>> > 210km/h in a Scirocco.
>> > > For comparison purposes, a stock 1.8 16V that puts 105hp to the wheels
>>(at
>> > 5750rpm) only puts down about 86hp at 6400rpm. (And a stock 2.0 16V that
>> > puts 121hp to the wheels (at 5500rpm) only puts 105hp down at 6400rpm.
>> > >
>> > > So my guess is that your 2.0 is running a very aggressive cam, no?
>> > > Jason
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Jason <jason@scirocco.org> wrote:
>> > > At 11:55 AM 6/11/2003, ATS - Patrick Bureau wrote:
>> > > >what do you mean innacurate.. ?
>> > > >chasing that GSR was not a peice of cake and we were flying on the
>> > road.. :)
>> > > Oh I don't doubt that you were flying.. :)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 224 km/h in a Scirocco (Cd=0.38, A=1.68m^2) is a very tough number to
>> > > achieve, though. To hit it, you would have to put just a hair over
>> > 150hp
>> > > to the wheels at that speed, which with a 3.94 R+P and an 0.80 5th
>>gear
>> > > (for example), would be ~6700rpm.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Not that I haven't heard from many sources that your car is fast as
>> > shit,
>> > > but my guess is that the Kamei kit turns your Cd into more like 0.40
>>or
>> > > 0.42, which would increase that number somewhat more.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > To my recollection, I've only seen a dyno result of a naturally
>> > aspirated
>> > > 4-cylinder VW over 150whp once, and that was Brett. (Forgive me if
>> > there
>> > > are more of you out there -- I think Riley McDowall and Shannon
>>Fenton
>> > may
>> > > have been around the 150 mark, too)...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Brett peaked at 150.8whp @ 6750rpm... With his 3.89 R+P and 0.75 5th,
>> > he
>> > > should see a top speed of 221 km/h (137mph). [An 0.80 5th would,
>> > > coincidentally, bump that number up to 224 km/h... The increase self
>> > > evident, of course, because as I said above, that speed would almost
>> > > exactly coincide with his HP peak]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Either case, German auto makers generally build in 5-7% positive
>>error
>> > in
>> > > their speedometers... (Under German law, they can have between 0 and
>>7%
>> > > positive error, but no negative error.) They all do it - BMW is
>> > notorious
>> > > for ridiculous error at high speeds. An indicated 224 was probably
>> > > actually around 211km/h, or 131mph... which is a FANTASTIC
>>achievement
>> > in
>> > > any Scirocco... much less an 8V, which likely has its power peak
>>below
>> > that
>> > > of a cammed 16V like Brett's. (And had a stock top speed of around
>>180
>> > km/h!)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Not attacking your car at _all_ -- like I said, I heard from a number
>> > of
>> > > people this weekend that your car was brutally fast!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Jason
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
>> > > >Http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco/
>> > > >============================================
>> > > >'85 2.0L Prowler Orange Kamei X1 Rocco
>> > > >'85 1.8L Titian Red Rocco (daily driver)
>> > > >'98 4.0L Jeep Cherokee
>> > > >'91 7.3L F250 diesel Super cab,8 Ft box.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >=>-----Original Message------
>> > > >=>From: Jason Cammisa [mailto:jcammisa@alwaysonline.net]
>> > > >=>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:56 AM
>> > > >=>To: ATS - Patrick Bureau; Ken B; scirocco list
>> > > >=>Subject: RE: cincy 2k+4 photo collection request / hosting -
>>update
>> > > >=>
>> > > >=>
>> > > >=>At 10:45 AM 6/11/2003, ATS - Patrick Bureau wrote:
>> > > >=>>yeah that is like almost 90 or close to it... I should of taken
>> > pictures
>> > > >=>>when I was doing 224KPH the other day...nice round number on a
>> > digifiz I
>> > > >=>>tell you...
>> > > >=>--0-1338643187-1055364022=:48503--
>> > >
>> > > ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
>> > > http://www.longcoeur. com/scirocco/
>> > > ==============================
>> > > '85 2.0L Prowler orangeKamei X1 Rocco
>> > > '85 1.8L Titian Red Daily Driver Rocco
>> > > '98 4.0L Jeep Cherokee
>> > > '91 7.5L Diesel F250 Super cab w/8ft bed.
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