OT: intent...WAS Re: [Re: Oh baby!]

[list@cemetery.homeunix.org (Andrew Basterfield)]

Sorry, that was quite a rant...

..but not all of us are in the US

I think my post was fairly typical of UK media's recent attitude to the
situation in Iraq (ie very sceptical) 

just my 0.02 Euros

--Andrew

On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 06:02:35 +0000
Andrew Basterfield <list@cemetery.homeunix.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:37:22 -0800
> Shawn c Meze <skerocdriver@juno.com> wrote:
> 
> > Oh, do tell me how it is oil that is on Bush's agenda? 
> > Does anyone not realize its the French and Germans who have a vested
> > interest in the oil of Iraq? (Also note that these are the 2 biggest
> > anti Iraq war countries, coincidence? no.) 
> 
> The French & German IMHO want no disruption in oil supply short-term.
> The US is looking for control long term. I'm sure the US consumes much
> more oil/capita than either France or Germany, and the US natural oil
> resources are running out making the US increasingly dependant on the
> Middle East.
> 
> > So if it is a war for oil its for those 2 countries. If it was Oil
> > we were after dont you think we would of just taken it from the
> > Kuwait after the gulf war?
> 
> The US could not just take oil from the Saudis, doing so would be an
> act of aggression. If the US was not dependent on the Saudis for oil
> they would not have bailed them out in Desert Storm. I'm sure the
> Saudis show their gratitude for Desert Storm in trade relations with
> the US. The Bush family business (apart from presidency) is oil, and
> I'm sure in the Bush family the Iraq issue is personal.
> 
> > Im kinda sick of hearing about how its for oil for
> > the US. I watched a French news broadcast of their views on the
> > US's. Sickening. Allies? With friends like the French, they might as
> > well join the doomed Iraqi's in their trenches. Wont be a long war,
> > trust me. 
> 
> Public opinion of the US is not good in Europe. Before 11 sep the Bush
> administration did not try to make friends in Europe. After his
> previous isolationist behaviour Bush now has little support from the
> UN. In Europe we preferred Clinton.
> 
> > And today in the German news paper they printed a statement from
> > German companies that admit to selling and shipping equipment to
> > make WMD's under the pretenses that they were "agricultural
> > equipment". Thanks for that. 
> 
> The US has supplied arms to Iraq to fight Iran.
> 
> > The UN is a joke. The french want another resolution and more
> > inspectors. What a complete waste of time. How many resolutions does
> > one madman need to blatently ignore, lie and decieve before the UN
> > does something? DOES ANYTHING? The UN is spineless. Time to desolve
> > the UN. 
> 
> You can't resolve situations by force, you just make a bigger mess.
> The UN was set up so all member nations act as one in these
> situations. The US knows if it goes into Iraq against the wishes of
> the other members of the UN it will do so by itself and will damage
> it's relations with the international community. The US wants to lead
> the UN into battle as in Desert Storm, but without UN support it may
> yet turn into another Vietnam.
> 
> The UN is not spineless or the US would ignore it and attack anyway.
> All the members of the UN have a commitment to piece, that includes
> the US and it means it just can't go invading people.
> 
> > Dont get me wrong, I dont want a war but im not willing to stand by
> > and wait for his plans to come into focus. We did nothing befoer
> > 9-11 happened. Never again.
> 
> 11 sep was unrelated to war in Iraq.
> 
> --Andrew22
> 
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