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Brian-
Your idea is brilliant in its simplicity.
Unfortunately, bending the rod does not change the relative locations of =
the two pivot points, which is the point of this exercise.
Larry
sandiego16v
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Brian McGarvey=20
To: Scott F. Williams=20
Cc: Scirocco List=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: need beta testers (tie-rod relocation)
Hmm.
I had a thought after reading a copy of Street Rodder. that they have=20
solved most of our problems already... A 1920-1950 car well there just =
arent any good solutions.
Since we have to take the carriers off anyway. why not have the holes=20
drilled out upside down and have them tapered by the machist with =
bigger=20
diameter tie rod ends. then we dont have to worry about alot of stuff =
and=20
the still "look" stock for the 99.99999% of inspectors that will ever =
look=20
at em. It might be fairly close to stock safety too. tho if it breaks =
its=20
falling out ... you know gravity
Or my Dad looks at it and says.. why not just put a bend in the tie =
rod.=20
but that custom end (inner) makes it a problem..
<insert ME based solution>
Brian
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Scott F. Williams wrote:
> Okay, I need three burly Sciroccos of outstanding technical =
character to
> volunteer for some parts beta testing. I've got some preliminary
> arrangements put together with a machinist for the parts needed to =
lessen
> our lowered car's bumpsteer problems. -those being the bushings =
needed to
> relocate the tie-rods to the bottom of the spindle arms.
>=20
> Pricing is not yet set in stone, but I figure that the it'd come to =
around
> $20 or so. On top of that, you'll have to remove your hub assemblies =
so that
> the arms can be drilled out and the bushings can be inserted. =
Anybody want
> to step up and try this out?
>=20
> For some pictures of exactly what I'm talking about, check out this =
webpage:
> <http://www.ghiagirl.com/phrankentruk/balljoints_table.htm>
>=20
> Let me be clear, though. Right now, we're only discussing the =
bushings to
> relocate the tie-rods. -not the spacers to move the a-arms down. =
Also, this
> particular guy's spacers are absolutely *not* safe. The sharp =
"steps" on his
> parts are crack prone. In fact, the fellow emailed me and told me =
that one
> of his spacers did snap!
>=20
> Anyway, if anybody is interested, just let me know. However, I'd =
rather put
> these in the hands of the motorsports type guys first.
>=20
> Thanks,
> --
> Scott F. Williams
> NJ Scirocco nut
> '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Your idea is brilliant in its=20
simplicity.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Unfortunately, bending the rod does not =
change the=20
relative locations of the two pivot points, which is the point of this=20
exercise.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sandiego16v</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:brianm@earendel.org"; =
title=3Dbrianm@earendel.org>Brian=20
McGarvey</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net"; =
title=3Dsfwilliams@comcast.net>Scott F.=20
Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"; =
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>Scirocco=20
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 22, 2003 =
8:57=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: need beta testers =
(tie-rod=20
relocation)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>Hmm.<BR>I had a thought after reading a copy of =
Street=20
Rodder. that they have <BR>solved most of our problems already... A =
1920-1950=20
car well there just <BR>arent any good solutions.<BR><BR>Since we have =
to take=20
the carriers off anyway. why not have the holes <BR>drilled out upside =
down=20
and have them tapered by the machist with bigger <BR>diameter tie rod =
ends.=20
then we dont have to worry about alot of stuff and <BR>the still =
"look" stock=20
for the 99.99999% of inspectors that will ever look <BR>at em. It =
might be=20
fairly close to stock safety too. tho if it breaks its <BR>falling out =
... you=20
know gravity<BR><BR>Or my Dad looks at it and says.. why not just put =
a bend=20
in the tie rod. <BR>but that custom end (inner) makes it a=20
problem..<BR><BR><insert ME based=20
solution><BR>Brian<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Scott F. =
Williams wrote:<BR><BR>> Okay, I need three burly Sciroccos of =
outstanding=20
technical character to<BR>> volunteer for some parts beta testing. =
I've got=20
some preliminary<BR>> arrangements put together with a machinist =
for the=20
parts needed to lessen<BR>> our lowered car's bumpsteer problems. =
-those=20
being the bushings needed to<BR>> relocate the tie-rods to the =
bottom of=20
the spindle arms.<BR>> <BR>> Pricing is not yet set in stone, =
but I=20
figure that the it'd come to around<BR>> $20 or so. On top of that, =
you'll=20
have to remove your hub assemblies so that<BR>> the arms can be =
drilled out=20
and the bushings can be inserted. Anybody want<BR>> to step up and =
try this=20
out?<BR>> <BR>> For some pictures of exactly what I'm talking =
about,=20
check out this webpage:<BR>> <<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.ghiagirl.com/phrankentruk/balljoints_table.htm";>http:/=
/www.ghiagirl.com/phrankentruk/balljoints_table.htm</A>><BR>>=20
<BR>> Let me be clear, though. Right now, we're only discussing the =
bushings to<BR>> relocate the tie-rods. -not the spacers to move =
the a-arms=20
down. Also, this<BR>> particular guy's spacers are absolutely *not* =
safe.=20
The sharp "steps" on his<BR>> parts are crack prone. In fact, the =
fellow=20
emailed me and told me that one<BR>> of his spacers did =
snap!<BR>>=20
<BR>> Anyway, if anybody is interested, just let me know. However, =
I'd=20
rather put<BR>> these in the hands of the motorsports type guys=20
first.<BR>> <BR>> Thanks,<BR>> --<BR>> Scott F. =
Williams<BR>>=20
NJ Scirocco nut<BR>> '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS<BR>> Mazda 323 =
GTX turbo=20
"assaulted" vehicle<BR>> Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"<BR>> ClubVAC: =
"Roads=20
found. Drivers wanted."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=20
_______________________________________________<BR>> Scirocco-l =
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n=20
<BR>88 16v $2003 GRM challenge car <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.grmotorsports.com";>http://www.grmotorsports.com</A><BR=
>84 0v=20
Next years car got parts?<BR>82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition =
and=20
bigger clutch. next.<BR>90 90q20v doing daily driver duty. <BR>91 =
VFR750F=20
everybody needs a 11-12 sec vehicle.<BR><BR>Contact method. Email me =
for AIM,=20
ICQ, YahooIM, IRC,=20
=
etc.<BR>-------------------------------------------------------------<BR>=
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