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just like how adding a spacer to the bottom side of the ball joint seems
like it would work to level the control arms.
yet in reality it just changes the shape of the control arm.
L F wrote:
> Brian-
> Your idea is brilliant in its simplicity.
> Unfortunately, bending the rod does not change the relative locations
> of the two pivot points, which is the point of this exercise.
>
> Larry
> sandiego16v
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian McGarvey <mailto:brianm@earendel.org>
> To: Scott F. Williams <mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net>
> Cc: Scirocco List <mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:57 PM
> Subject: Re: need beta testers (tie-rod relocation)
>
>
> Hmm.
> I had a thought after reading a copy of Street Rodder. that they have
> solved most of our problems already... A 1920-1950 car well there
> just
> arent any good solutions.
>
> Since we have to take the carriers off anyway. why not have the holes
> drilled out upside down and have them tapered by the machist with
> bigger
> diameter tie rod ends. then we dont have to worry about alot of
> stuff and
> the still "look" stock for the 99.99999% of inspectors that will
> ever look
> at em. It might be fairly close to stock safety too. tho if it
> breaks its
> falling out ... you know gravity
>
> Or my Dad looks at it and says.. why not just put a bend in the
> tie rod.
> but that custom end (inner) makes it a problem..
>
> <insert ME based solution>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Scott F. Williams wrote:
>
> > Okay, I need three burly Sciroccos of outstanding technical
> character to
> > volunteer for some parts beta testing. I've got some preliminary
> > arrangements put together with a machinist for the parts needed
> to lessen
> > our lowered car's bumpsteer problems. -those being the bushings
> needed to
> > relocate the tie-rods to the bottom of the spindle arms.
> >
> > Pricing is not yet set in stone, but I figure that the it'd come
> to around
> > $20 or so. On top of that, you'll have to remove your hub
> assemblies so that
> > the arms can be drilled out and the bushings can be inserted.
> Anybody want
> > to step up and try this out?
> >
> > For some pictures of exactly what I'm talking about, check out
> this webpage:
> > <http://www.ghiagirl.com/phrankentruk/balljoints_table.htm>
> >
> > Let me be clear, though. Right now, we're only discussing the
> bushings to
> > relocate the tie-rods. -not the spacers to move the a-arms down.
> Also, this
> > particular guy's spacers are absolutely *not* safe. The sharp
> "steps" on his
> > parts are crack prone. In fact, the fellow emailed me and told
> me that one
> > of his spacers did snap!
> >
> > Anyway, if anybody is interested, just let me know. However, I'd
> rather put
> > these in the hands of the motorsports type guys first.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Scott F. Williams
> > NJ Scirocco nut
> > '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> > Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> > Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> > ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
> >
> >
> >
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> Brian
> 88 16v $2003 GRM challenge car http://www.grmotorsports.com
> 84 0v Next years car got parts?
> 82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition and bigger clutch. next.
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just like how adding a spacer to the bottom side of the ball joint seems
like it would work to level the control arms.<br>
<br>
yet in reality it just changes the shape of the control arm.<br>
<br>
L F wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Brian-</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"> Your idea is brilliant in its simplicity.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Unfortunately, bending the rod does not
change the relative locations of the two pivot points, which is the point
of this exercise.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Larry</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">sandiego16v</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:brianm@earendel.org"; title="brianm@earendel.org">Brian McGarvey</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net"; title="sfwilliams@comcast.net">Scott F. Williams</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"; title="scirocco-l@scirocco.org">Scirocco List</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:57 PM</div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: need beta testers (tie-rod relocation)</div>
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Hmm.<br>
I had a thought after reading a copy of Street Rodder. that they have
<br>
solved most of our problems already... A 1920-1950 car well there just
<br>
arent any good solutions.<br>
<br>
Since we have to take the carriers off anyway. why not have the holes
<br>
drilled out upside down and have them tapered by the machist with bigger
<br>
diameter tie rod ends. then we dont have to worry about alot of stuff
and <br>
the still "look" stock for the 99.99999% of inspectors that will ever
look <br>
at em. It might be fairly close to stock safety too. tho if it breaks
its <br>
falling out ... you know gravity<br>
<br>
Or my Dad looks at it and says.. why not just put a bend in the tie rod.
<br>
but that custom end (inner) makes it a problem..<br>
<br>
<insert ME based solution><br>
Brian<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Scott F. Williams wrote:<br>
<br>
> Okay, I need three burly Sciroccos of outstanding technical character
to<br>
> volunteer for some parts beta testing. I've got some preliminary<br>
> arrangements put together with a machinist for the parts needed to
lessen<br>
> our lowered car's bumpsteer problems. -those being the bushings needed
to<br>
> relocate the tie-rods to the bottom of the spindle arms.<br>
> <br>
> Pricing is not yet set in stone, but I figure that the it'd come
to around<br>
> $20 or so. On top of that, you'll have to remove your hub assemblies
so that<br>
> the arms can be drilled out and the bushings can be inserted. Anybody
want<br>
> to step up and try this out?<br>
> <br>
> For some pictures of exactly what I'm talking about, check out this
webpage:<br>
> <<a href="http://www.ghiagirl.com/phrankentruk/balljoints_table.htm";>http://www.ghiagirl.com/phrankentruk/balljoints_table.htm</a>><br>
> <br>
> Let me be clear, though. Right now, we're only discussing the bushings
to<br>
> relocate the tie-rods. -not the spacers to move the a-arms down.
Also, this<br>
> particular guy's spacers are absolutely *not* safe. The sharp "steps"
on his<br>
> parts are crack prone. In fact, the fellow emailed me and told me
that one<br>
> of his spacers did snap!<br>
> <br>
> Anyway, if anybody is interested, just let me know. However, I'd
rather put<br>
> these in the hands of the motorsports type guys first.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> --<br>
> Scott F. Williams<br>
> NJ Scirocco nut<br>
> '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS<br>
> Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle<br>
> Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"<br>
> ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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Brian <br>
88 16v $2003 GRM challenge car <a href="http://www.grmotorsports.com";>http://www.grmotorsports.com</a><br>
84 0v Next years car got parts?<br>
82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition and bigger clutch. next.<br>
90 90q20v doing daily driver duty. <br>
91 VFR750F everybody needs a 11-12 sec vehicle.<br>
<br>
Contact method. Email me for AIM, ICQ, YahooIM, IRC, etc.<br>
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