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ebay scam

You make a very good point.  However I think what the complaint here is,
that the seller is making the "Euro" cam to be special.  Most of the people
that have any knowledege of 16V's know that the exhaust cam is the same for
U.S. and Europe.  In other words the way he has it stated and there is no
grey area is if you use the "Euro" exhaust cam you'll have 139 h.p..  And we
all know that is not true.  That is what makes it Dishonest.

Just my .02.

Erik
88 16V
88 Golf (Urban Insult Vehichle)
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Haygood <theonlyred16v@hotmail.com>
To: <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:13 PM
Subject: RE: ebay scam


> So you are saying that the seller (or anyone else presumably) has no
> obligation whatsoever to clarify what their product does/is?  That may
hold
> up just fine in court if you word it correctly, but I won't count among my
> friends anyone who would be that dishonest -- sorry, not dishonest, just
not
> honest (If you diferentiate between the two, let me know so I can avoid
> trusting you).
>
> "marketing" does not make misleading people OK.  I know that our screwed
up
> world tries to make it that way, and that it happens all the time, but
that
> doesn't make it right.  What I don't get is why Steffan would be this
> misleading just for a few lousy bucks on a cam.  More than a few listers
> have commented that this is dishonest, and he has basically gauranteed he
> won't ever sell anything to them.  Regardless of how others react to it,
> isn't there some moral backbone in the man that should make him prefer to
be
> honest?  Maybe ignoring the existence of God has something to do with it
> all, but that's outside the scope of this, I guess.
>
> The ad does imply lightly that your engine will have increased performance
> when you install this cam.  Maybe he keeps it light enough that he
couldn't
> be sued or something, but again, that doesn't make it right.
>
> As for Hitman's response that, "i'm just saying that if you read the text
of
> his auction, and knowing/dealt with steffan before, his intentions are not
> to rip anyone off.", what other intention could there be for citing higher
> horsepower than our cars make and throwing the term "Euro" around?  What
is
> it that you know about Steffan that the rest of us can't see?  I'm not
> saying he's not a perfectly nice, reasonable guy, just that he is doing
one
> particular dishonest thing.  I'm not being sarcastic, here, I just don't
see
> how you could put that ad's text together with any other motive than
hoping
> someone bids more because they think it is what it isn't.
>
> The ad description should be "16v ehaust cam to fit scirocco, GTI, etc..."
> Citing hp and "euro" can't have any other purpose but to mislead.
>
> Brian Haygood
>
>
> >From: "BcH" <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>
> >Reply-To: <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>
> >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >Subject: RE: ebay scam
> >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:16:10 -0700
> >
> >The marketing on e-bay of the exhaust cams, no matter how it is worded is
> >simply marketing!  No different than selling of A1 VW fuel pumps as
racing
> >pumps on e-bay to the Honda crowd.
> >
> >It's a buyer beware market in my mind.  If the vortex type fools are
stupid
> >enough to pay $40 shipping plus whatever the cam sells for, then so be
it.
> >
> >.02
> >
> >BcH
> >78 MkI Ragtop ABA 16vT boxes of parts
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Allyn
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:00 PM
> > > To: the hitman; onesixv@juno.com
> > > Cc: farrenator@yahoo.com; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > Subject: Re: ebay scam
> > >
> > >
> > > especially since the euro exh cam is the same profile as the
> > > u.s. one...
> > > Al
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "the hitman" <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> > > To: <onesixv@juno.com>
> > > Cc: <farrenator@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: ebay scam
> > >
> > >
> > > > don't get me wrong, i would never recommend or buy  or sell
> > > a "euro" exhaust
> > > > cam. i'm just saying that if you read the text of his auction, and
> > > > knowing/dealt with steffan before, his intentions are not
> > > to rip anyone off.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Eric L Ellis <onesixv@juno.com>
> > > > >To: vwscir88@hotmail.com
> > > > >CC: farrenator@yahoo.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > >Subject: Re: ebay scam
> > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:30:17 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > >Yes, he posts quite often...to sell.  I personally don't
> > > care for the
> > > > >selling of the "Euro Exhaust Cam".  Granted, he implies no
> > > gains but the
> > > > >those who don't know, it can appear that it's an upgrade.  Not to
> > > > >mention, $40.00 shipping?
> > > > >
> > > > >EE
> > > > >"Good, bad...I'm the guy with the gun!"
> > > > >http://www.geocities.com/blitzkrieg16v
> > > > >AOL IM:  OneSixV
> > > > >http://www.geocities.com/onesixv
> > > > >
> > > > >On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:01:04 -0400 "the hitman"
> > > <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> > > > >writes:
> > > > > > that's steffan. i think you must be thinking about
> > > someone else, i've
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > nothing but good dealings with steffan. i believe he
> > > does post to
> > > > > > the list
> > > > > > occasionally too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Victor Farren <farrenator@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > >To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > > > >Subject: ebay scam
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >anyone know who this clown is?  He is trying to sell a
> > > > > > >16v Euro 'exhaust' cam.  Talk about some bull$hit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item
> > > =1842783455
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This isn't the same clown who was ripping people off
> > > > > > >about 6 months back is it?  Sorry, but I can't
> > > > > > >remember his name, but he changed his email a couple
> > > > > > >of times because someone on the list was tracking him
> > > > > > >and giving him $hit for being a scam artist.  Some of
> > > > > > >the listers who have been around a while might
> > > > > > >remember.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Victor
> > > > > > >
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