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ebay scam

So you are saying that the seller (or anyone else presumably) has no 
obligation whatsoever to clarify what their product does/is?  That may hold 
up just fine in court if you word it correctly, but I won't count among my 
friends anyone who would be that dishonest -- sorry, not dishonest, just not 
honest (If you diferentiate between the two, let me know so I can avoid 
trusting you).

"marketing" does not make misleading people OK.  I know that our screwed up 
world tries to make it that way, and that it happens all the time, but that 
doesn't make it right.  What I don't get is why Steffan would be this 
misleading just for a few lousy bucks on a cam.  More than a few listers 
have commented that this is dishonest, and he has basically gauranteed he 
won't ever sell anything to them.  Regardless of how others react to it, 
isn't there some moral backbone in the man that should make him prefer to be 
honest?  Maybe ignoring the existence of God has something to do with it 
all, but that's outside the scope of this, I guess.

The ad does imply lightly that your engine will have increased performance 
when you install this cam.  Maybe he keeps it light enough that he couldn't 
be sued or something, but again, that doesn't make it right.

As for Hitman's response that, "i'm just saying that if you read the text of 
his auction, and knowing/dealt with steffan before, his intentions are not 
to rip anyone off.", what other intention could there be for citing higher 
horsepower than our cars make and throwing the term "Euro" around?  What is 
it that you know about Steffan that the rest of us can't see?  I'm not 
saying he's not a perfectly nice, reasonable guy, just that he is doing one 
particular dishonest thing.  I'm not being sarcastic, here, I just don't see 
how you could put that ad's text together with any other motive than hoping 
someone bids more because they think it is what it isn't.

The ad description should be "16v ehaust cam to fit scirocco, GTI, etc..."  
Citing hp and "euro" can't have any other purpose but to mislead.

Brian Haygood


>From: "BcH" <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>
>Reply-To: <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>
>To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: RE: ebay scam
>Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:16:10 -0700
>
>The marketing on e-bay of the exhaust cams, no matter how it is worded is
>simply marketing!  No different than selling of A1 VW fuel pumps as racing
>pumps on e-bay to the Honda crowd.
>
>It's a buyer beware market in my mind.  If the vortex type fools are stupid
>enough to pay $40 shipping plus whatever the cam sells for, then so be it.
>
>.02
>
>BcH
>78 MkI Ragtop ABA 16vT boxes of parts
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Allyn
> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:00 PM
> > To: the hitman; onesixv@juno.com
> > Cc: farrenator@yahoo.com; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: ebay scam
> >
> >
> > especially since the euro exh cam is the same profile as the
> > u.s. one...
> > Al
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "the hitman" <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> > To: <onesixv@juno.com>
> > Cc: <farrenator@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: ebay scam
> >
> >
> > > don't get me wrong, i would never recommend or buy  or sell
> > a "euro" exhaust
> > > cam. i'm just saying that if you read the text of his auction, and
> > > knowing/dealt with steffan before, his intentions are not
> > to rip anyone off.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Eric L Ellis <onesixv@juno.com>
> > > >To: vwscir88@hotmail.com
> > > >CC: farrenator@yahoo.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > >Subject: Re: ebay scam
> > > >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:30:17 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Yes, he posts quite often...to sell.  I personally don't
> > care for the
> > > >selling of the "Euro Exhaust Cam".  Granted, he implies no
> > gains but the
> > > >those who don't know, it can appear that it's an upgrade.  Not to
> > > >mention, $40.00 shipping?
> > > >
> > > >EE
> > > >"Good, bad...I'm the guy with the gun!"
> > > >http://www.geocities.com/blitzkrieg16v
> > > >AOL IM:  OneSixV
> > > >http://www.geocities.com/onesixv
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:01:04 -0400 "the hitman"
> > <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> > > >writes:
> > > > > that's steffan. i think you must be thinking about
> > someone else, i've
> > > > > had
> > > > > nothing but good dealings with steffan. i believe he
> > does post to
> > > > > the list
> > > > > occasionally too.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Victor Farren <farrenator@yahoo.com>
> > > > > >To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > > >Subject: ebay scam
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >anyone know who this clown is?  He is trying to sell a
> > > > > >16v Euro 'exhaust' cam.  Talk about some bull$hit.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item
> > =1842783455
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This isn't the same clown who was ripping people off
> > > > > >about 6 months back is it?  Sorry, but I can't
> > > > > >remember his name, but he changed his email a couple
> > > > > >of times because someone on the list was tracking him
> > > > > >and giving him $hit for being a scam artist.  Some of
> > > > > >the listers who have been around a while might
> > > > > >remember.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Victor
> > > > > >
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