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Rear Shocks
- Subject: Rear Shocks
- From: silvius14 at comcast.net (silvius14@xxxxxxxxxxx)
- Date: Mon Aug 20 07:22:38 2007
I'm one of those states........when it was cut in half you could just barely see the line between the bolt and sleeve. I had to cut the bolt twice, one thru the middle and then on the hex head side. Since I couldn't get any space between the bracket and the head I made a cut leaving about .25 left and had to use the dremel to cut straight across the bolt/sleeve in order to separate the sleeve.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Peter" <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Larry,
>
> In most other states the sleeve and bolt becomes a single piece of metal,
> even after heating and cutting the sleeve/bolt into 3 pieces, it's usually
> still stuck together.
>
> I have a cordless Dremel, but I only use that for more precise work.
>
> For the shock bottom mount, I would use my IR inline air-drill, with a small
> cut-off wheel.
>
> I usually use one of my famous 4 1/2" grinders, with a 4" cut-off, to cut
> off the sleeve/bolt, because it cuts deeper, and it's easier to control the
> larger tool, and it doesn't walk around as much.
>
> I wasn't trying to tell you anything, I was trying to help Karl, not waste
> my time, (like cutting the bolt), and then I was only defending myself/my
> viewpoint, like I am now.
>
> It's been as aggravating as doing the actual job. :)
>
>
> From: Karl
> So much for that bolt..............I used a sawzall and a 4" hand grinder
> with a 4" cutoff disk and the darn thing was cut in half and still wouldn't
> budge. After another 1-2 hrs I got everything off. Now the real question
> anyone know what size it was?
> I'm thinking 10mm x ??
> Karl
>
> I think that's right, Karl, and I believe it's X1.5, but as long as the
> "nut" is the same, it really doesn't matter.
>
>
> Thanks...
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LEF [mailto:rocco16@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:47 PM
> To: Peter; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Rear Shocks
>
> It is nice.
>
> You forgot to apply the heat and the patience. :)
>
> If you're trying to tell me you can cut, with a Dremel, an 8mm
> bolt...twice...in 20 minutes, then I have to say "Right."
>
> Finally defeating a stubborn bolt on it's own terms is worth the time...to
> me
>
> I'm not trying to tell you guys you have to do it my way. I'm simply giving
> those among you who want some encouragement an option. I'm not giving you
> an argument, I'm giving you a choice.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> There are a few of you who would argue with me if I said this was a great
> group of car lovers.
>
> larry
> sandiego16v
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter"
> To: "'LEF'" ;
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 9:22 AM
> Subject: RE: Rear Shocks question
>
>
> > It must be nice to live in San Diego, California...
> >
> > I have a ~gallon refill container of PB Blaster, and it has the same
> > result.
> > I've also tried a lot of other different penetrating oils, with the same
> > result.
> >
> > When the shaft of the bolt completely rusts to the sleeve, it will not
> > easily come apart, and my time is not worth wasting, trying to break free
> > a
> > rusted bolt, when I can cut it off instead, and replace it with a new one,
> > in about 20 minutes, or so.
> >
> > Time can not be replaced, but bolts can...
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LEF [mailto:rocco16@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 11:52 AM
> > To: Peter; 'Cris Carpenter'; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Rear Shocks question
> >
> > I've yet to see a frozen bolt that heat, time, patience, perseverance, and
> > good penetrating oil (NOT WD-40) won't take care of.
> >
> > larry
> > sandiego16v
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter"
> > To: "'Cris Carpenter'" ;
> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 8:20 AM
> > Subject: RE: Rear Shocks question
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Cris Carpenter
> >>
> >> We used to get the bolts to loosen up in the sleeves by heating them up
> >> real
> >> hot with an acetylene torch (you can only heat the exposed ends so it
> >> takes
> >> a while before the heat gets inside the sleeve), and then rattling them
> >> out
> >> with an air chisel. The idea is to get the rust holding the bolt to the
> >> sleeve so hot that it disintegrates, but that technique requires those
> >> tools. Another alternative is to bend the tangs of the lower supports out
> >> to
> >> allow some access and cutting the bolt off both sides with a metal
> >> cutting
> >> sawzall.
> >>
> >> Cris
> >>
> >>
> >> Just a heads up...
> >>
> >> You have to be really careful torching gas charged shocks, because they
> >> can
> >> explode.
> >> If they're Mk.1 factory shocks, then they're hydraulic shocks, so it
> >> should
> >> be okay.
> >>
> >> I usually try using a MAP gas torch, but I cut the round bottom shock
> >> mount
> >> off first to remove the shock, before I torch the rubber away, to expose
> >> the
> >> sleeve, so I don't have to worry about an explosion, and to help heat up
> >> the
> >> sleeve.
> >> 3 out of 4 times, I usually end up having to cut the sleeve off anyway,
> >> and
> >> this is after getting them cherry red, and spraying WD-40, or water on
> >> it,
> >> to help cool them off.
> >>
> >> Having the bolt seize up in the sleeve, is really common around here(east
> >> coast), and I always use anti-seize on the bolts, so it doesn't happen
> >> again.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Message: 12
> >> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:15:57 +0000
> >> From: silvius14@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Rear Shocks question
> >> To: scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >>
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> >> O.K.....so I got me some KYB Gas-A-just shocks for the rear and started
> >> on
> >> the Passenger side. I was amazed at how easy it was to replace.
> >> I'd say it took me 30-40 minutes to replace. I know that's probably
> >> slow.
> >>
> >> Now I tackle the Driver side............4 hrs later and I still haven't
> >> gotten the old sachs shock off. The issue I'm having is that I was able
> >> to
> >> remove the nut, but the bolt won't budge..........any ideas????
> >> I was thinking about using a dremel and cut off wheels and cut the the
> >> bottom half of the cylinder with the bolt thru it and then cut the bolt
> >> in
> >> half and replace.
> >>
> >> What have others done??
> >>
> >> Karl
> >>
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