front cross member bar - ripoff?

[raveracer77 at yahoo.ca (raveracer77)]

    Am I right in assuming that this is the weak point everyone talks about when you get an A1 chassis up over 200hp?  I'm about to get started on my Rocco Racer project and I need to do some research into how the motor mounts hold up under that kind of stress.  I've got my PL motor and 2Y tranny sitting on the ground in front of the car, I need to pull the wiring harness out of the GTI but I haven't figured out how I'm going to plug the Digi 2 into this motor yet.  Also I haven't even started ripping this 8V motor out of the car.  Anyone need an FN tranny in really good shape?  I'll ask again once I get it out.  The thing I need to know is do I need to do some creative welding to strengthen the other motor mounts or will this Black Forest beam solve most of those problems?

      Rave Racer
Currently:
NEW!!  91 Jetta GLI 2.0L 16V
'81 Scirocco Mk1 1.8L 8V Digifant 2

'89 Jetta GTX 1.8L 16V
'87 Audi 4000 Quattro 
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'72 Triumph GT6
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Don Walter 
  To: raveracer77 
  Cc: Eric S ; Scirocco List 
  Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 07:34 PM
  Subject: Re: front cross member bar - ripoff?


  My son and I are working on a design for his.  It will use the same principle but be a bit different.


  On 12/11/06, raveracer77 <raveracer77@yahoo.ca> wrote: 
       I want one.  Would you want to go back to making them again, or should I look into this Black Forest one? 

         Rave Racer
    Currently:
    NEW!!  91 Jetta GLI 2.0L 16V
    '81 Scirocco Mk1 1.8L 8V Digifant 2

    '89 Jetta GTX 1.8L 16V
    '87 Audi 4000 Quattro
    http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewCar&carid=110
    '72 Triumph GT6
    http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/50-50-111014_20raveracer-gt6-1.jpg 

    http://spaces.msn.com/raveracer77/photos/
    http://www.myspace.com/rave_racer
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Eric S
    To: David Winchell, II
    Cc: 'Scirocco List'
    Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 07:02 AM
    Subject: RE: front cross member bar - ripoff?



    Yep, that was me...honestly, its not like I patented it or anything, and I 
    quit making them some time ago.

    This bar does most closely resemble my design, looks like it would do the
    job!

    --
    Eric
    www.vintagewatercooleds.com 

    1981 Scirocco S (TDI swap project)
    1990 Fox Wagon 1.6 Heron Head 8v
    1991 Cabriolet (2.0 crossflow 8v project)


    David Winchell, II said:
    > It was Eric S.  And it does look just like his with the exception of the 
    > powder coating. IIRC, Eric was letting someone else from the vortex make
    > them after he stopped.
    >
    > I'm sure Eric will post about it and give more details...
    >
    > Dave
    >
    > David Winchell, II 
    > 84 Scirocco BBS Turbo
    > 79 Callaway Scirocco
    > 04 .:R32 DBP
    > 04 Mini Cooper S
    > 00 Silverado
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: julie@menloparkrandd.com [mailto:julie@menloparkrandd.com]
    > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:46 AM
    > To: Nate Lowe; Scirocco List
    > Subject: Re: front cross member bar - ripoff? 
    >
    > Scott Rose IIRC. This thing is identical. After all of his hard work
    > too...
    >
    >>-----Original Message-----
    >>From: Nate Lowe [mailto:nlowe79@gmail.com ]
    >>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:28 PM
    >>To: 'Scirocco List'
    >>Subject: front cross member bar - ripoff?
    >>
    >>I remember the front cross member bar that was made either by a lister or 
    >>someone on vortex (or both?) that was used to give support to stop
    > cracking.
    >>Well, I came across this today:
    >>http://store.blackforestindustries.com/mkicrrebar.html which looks a hell
    > of
    >>a lot like the bar that was being sold before. I don't remember who
    >> exactly
    >>designed that bar, but if they didn't authorize its design then I'm sure
    >>they'd like to know about this. Hopefully this is all me just being out
    >> of
    >>the loop about what happened with that bar's design, but I figured better
    >>safe than sorry.
    >>Nate 
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  Don Walter - Waukesha, WI
  1986 8V Black Scirocco (Daily Driver)
  1984 8V Audi 4000s (RIP 2/14/2006)
  1986 2.0L 16V TEC 2 Black Scirocco (see progress at http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/708939)
  1986 2L 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (Ben's Car)
  1988 1.8 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (sold on 3/29/04)
  1984 1.8 8V Pewter Scirocco (sold years ago)
  1971 Karman Ghia (sold) 
  1969 Karman Ghia (sold)
  1969 Beetle (sold)