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california smog defeats our engine swap
True... but if you fail more than twice at a regular smog check station (I
think that's the number) then it's a mandatory visit to the Ref.
I've been de-tuned and have been running a cat for a while now, well since
the install... It still pulls great but I know I can get more. Can't wait
for August so I can screw around with the injection and timing and use my
test pipe for 23 straight months!
Gotta love that the 9A looks just like a PL, shouldn't have any problems...
I hope.
-Raffi
At 10:14 AM 6/2/2004, Krazy Horse wrote:
>The smog techs should be testing the engine and management system. The RV
>engine that is in my Golf is Digi I, not CIS. Also, by telling them that
>you have a 2.0, they should have failed you on that, They are not going to
>measure the displacement to see. Ask them to do a test only and see what
>you numbers are. If you are within the law, take it from shop to shop,
>until you pass. If you take it to the smog ref., it is his job to dig in
>the books and make sure the part numbers match.
>
>Also, *any* kind of engine swap must first be cleared by the ref. So don't
>tell them that you have an engine swap. If it passes the sniffer, you
>should be able to pass no problem. Just make sure you don't have any
>obvious visual fails (i.e. adjustable cam sprocket, aftermarket header,
>ect...).
>
>HTH!
>
>-Craig
>'83 California Edition (RIP)
>"Nightmare" '88 16v (PG-T Proj.)
>"Calypso" '91 Golf GL (Daily Driver)
>
>
>
>
>>From: John Ringham <jrringha@adobe.com>
>>To: "'Jeff Toomasson'" <area53@validpath.com>,
>"'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>>Subject: RE: california smog defeats our engine swap
>>Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:00:05 -0700
>>
>>Yes that was back in 96 or 97. The swap is complete smog wise for an RD
>>engine and that was all they cared about. I was only being honest when I
>>said the displacement was 2.0. I never said anything about the cam, or
>port
>>& polish.
>>
>>What do you need to do to make your swap "smog complete"?
>Maybe try another
>>shop?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
>>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Toomasson
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:21 PM
>>To: 'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'
>>Subject: Re: california smog defeats our engine swap
>>
>>
>>Admittedly though - that was more than two years ago (at least) and
>before
>>the implementation of the dyno and the recent crackdown. Your receipt of
>>leniency puts you in the minority I'm sure.
>>
>>Can you tell I'm bitter?
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "John Ringham" <jrringha@adobe.com>
>>To: "'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:54 PM
>>Subject: RE: california smog defeats our engine swap
>>
>>
>> > I had to have my car smogged by the referee back when I did my swap.
>> > RD engine punched out to 2008 cc's ported & polished head,
>neuspeed
>> > 268 cam etc. They asked me what engine I swapped into the car. I
>told
>> > them it was
>>a
>> > 2 liter 8v from an 86 GTI. They looked it up in their book and said
>> > there was no 2 liter for an 86 GTI. I said it was originally a 1.8
>> > liter, but
>>had
>> > been bored and stroked so it was now a 2.0 liter. Their
>response...We
>>don't
>> > care about that, we'll go with a 1.8. Passed the visual and the
>> > sniffer
>>with
>> > ease. Now I have a sticker in the door jamb and can take it anywhere
>> > to be smogged.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
>> > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Toomasson
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:23 PM
>> > To: bhonnold@pac-cap.com; 'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'
>> > Subject: Re: california smog defeats our engine swap
>> >
>> >
>> > Don't you actually have to LIVE in the county in which you're
>> > registering the car?
>> >
>> > I actually had to deal with this f*cking mess myself today -
>went to a
>> > "recommended" local smog station for the SECOND time
>in the last
>> > couple of days. First time, the "recommended" smog
>tech was too busy
>> > to mees with
>>the
>> > tuning in case it didn't pass and told me to come back during the
>> > week. Well, I went back this afternoon only to find the garage
>manager
>> > on duty. F*ucking tough guy says, "do you know if there's an
>> > aftermarket cam in there? The idle seems kinda lumpy..."
>> > Smart-ass...even if it is only a g-grind...This raises his
>suspicions
>> > so he goes and looks up the vacuum
>>line
>> > diagram and notices that my ignition retard port on the distro is
>> > capped. "well, it just failed right there...".
>(*&$^%*&
>> >
>> > I've still got a couple of more-work-involved options, but it pisses
>> > me
>>off
>> > when they get all worked up over the visual part of it when
>there's no
>>doubt
>> > it'll pass the sniffer...
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brian Honnold" <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>
>> > To: "'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'"
><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:09 PM
>> > Subject: RE: california smog defeats our engine swap
>> >
>> >
>> > > Why did you have to go the referee in the first place?
>> > >
>> > > None of the CA smog monkeys I have ever been to would have
>noticed
>> > > an RV motor instead of the stock JH. As for cis-e, most of
>them
>> > > wouldn't notice that either.
>> > >
>> > > If you can share with us why you have to go to the REF,
>maybe one of
>> > > the
>> > CA
>> > > peeps can figure out a work around.......like registering
>the car in
>> > > a county with NO smog?????
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Brian Honnold
>> > > Director of Multifamily Acquisitions
>> > > Pacific Capital Investments
>> > > Phone: 916.773.3300
>> > > Fax: 916.773.3208
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
>> > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of
>Dave Ewing
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:25 PM
>> > > > To: Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org
>> > > > Subject: RE: california smog defeats our engine swap
>> > > >
>> > > > Grind off the V and stamp a D. If you know what it
>really is who
>> > > > cares. OR you could swap the pistons and head in/on
>to a RD block
>> > > > or even the block that is stock for that car. The
>engine code
>> > > > tells us what the entire engine is (including
>> > > > head) not just what block it is.
>> > > >
>> > > > So did you have a long conversation with this guy
>about the swap
>> > > > or did he figure it out for himself?
>> > > >
>> > > > Man I'm glad I don't have to do that!!
>> > > >
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
>> > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Joe
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:21 PM
>> > > > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> > > > Subject: california smog defeats our engine swap
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Well today my brother took his car to the smog ref to
>try and get
>> > > > it certified. It's an RV motor out of a '92 GTI using
>CIS-E. He
>> > > > was confident that the guy would accept it, but it was
>a no go. I
>> > > > was pretty sure that it would need to be a complete
>swap (harness
>> > > > and all from donor).
>> > > >
>> > > > If it was an RD block he would have been fine because
>then we
>> > > > could have called it a complete swap from an 86-88
>GTI/GLI.
>> > > > However, it's an RV. It's sad because it's pretty
>much the same
>> > > > engine from what I can tell.
>> > > >
>> > > > They were giving him crap about the electronic
>ignition, saying it
>> > > > should have had a vacuum advance distributor. But
>wouldn't any
>> > > > high compression motor be equipped with a knock sensor and
>> > > > consequently an electronic advance distributor?
>> > > >
>> > > > In any case, we have the car running with CIS-E so
>it's just a
>> > > > matter of finding an engine that will be legal in it.
>We do have
>> > > > a complete PL laying around, but who knows what that
>would amount
>> > > > to in terms of not using the power steering pump,
>exhaust, etc.
>> > > > This really sucks because it took way too long to get
>this thing
>> > > > going.
>> > > >
>> > > > Joe
>> > > >
>> > > >
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