reverse issue with an 8v tranny--Grind prevention

[pilotlars at yahoo.com (Lars Bruchmann)]

first off, congrats that you have driven a car older
than 1998.  somehow, most young people these days are
driving cars nicer than anything i ever drove...
double-clutching, as i understand it, in german
'zwischengas', litterally meaning 'revving in
between', was used in old, really old, vehicles before
the advent of synchronisers.  back in the old days,
gears always ground, but double-clutching would alloy
the driver to lesson that to some extent.  this is per
my maternal grandfather: erich israel, 1913 - 2000. 
as he did it, while down-shifting, he would let the
clutch out with the trans in neutral, and then depress
the clutch all the way and engage the lower gear.  it
probably did nothing in the 76 bright yellow scirocco
or the blue mazda 323 he bought with cash in 1984..
the first in our family to not buy a german car.  but
old habits are hard to break, i guess.  if someone can
expand on that, please do, i have never met anyone who
knew about it except my grandpa.  
--- Jacob Hawes <gr8hunter1@comcast.net> wrote:

> Since I'm only 17 and have no experience driving
> vehicles older than 
> 1980 I am curious. Does double clutching only apply
> when moving from a 
> standstill? Because if so then I automatically do
> that just to make sure 
> I am going into first. When I first put the new
> tranny in I had problems 
> with it and thought I was getting into first but was
> actually in third.
> 
> Lars Bruchmann wrote:
> 
> >my grandpa double-clutched everything.. back when
> he
> >learned to drive, nothing was synched, that was
> back
> >when hitler was in power he drove huge MBs into the
> >russia.  
> >--- Marc_Scirocco_Québec
> <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
> >wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Yup, it is called "double clutching" IIRC, like
> them
> >>old '40s trucks.
> >>
> >>I've been told by an ex VW dealership mechanic
> that
> >>they grind in 1st and in
> >>reverse if the clutch drags on the flywheel. Like
> if
> >>there is worn parts,
> >>clutch, rod or other...
> >>
> >>Cheers.
> >>
> >>Marc
> >>'83 Scirocco
> >>'97 A4
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>-----Message d'origine-----
> >>>De : scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> >>>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]De la
> part
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>de Theron Ross
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Envoyé : jeudi 26 août 2004 16:52
> >>>À : Calimus; Scirocco-l
> >>>Objet : Re: reverse issue with an 8v
> tranny--Grind
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>prevention
> >>    
> >>
> >>>I don't have any suggestions for your current
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>problem, but there's an easy
> >>    
> >>
> >>>way to prevent the dreaded
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>into-reverse-grind-shift on any manual tranny:
> >>    
> >>
> >>>At a complete standstill, before shifting into
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>reverse, depress the clutch
> >>    
> >>
> >>>and shift into another gear (For example, on VWs,
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I typically
> >>    
> >>
> >>>shift up into
> >>>third first), then back into neutral and let the
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>clutch out, and then
> >>    
> >>
> >>>drepress the clutch pedal again and shift into
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>reverse as usual and you'll
> >>    
> >>
> >>>NEVER get a grind.
> >>>
> >>>I've never opened a tranny up and know nothing
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>about the
> >>    
> >>
> >>>internals, but I've
> >>>used this in all the vehicles I've ever driven
> and
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I never get a grind.
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Best thing is, it's easy to do and easy to make a
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>part of your
> >>    
> >>
> >>>daily driving
> >>>habits.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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