VW Dealership

[fahrvegnugen at cox.net (David Utley)]

> 
> From: Lars Bruchmann <pilotlars@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/08/26 Thu PM 02:24:46 EDT
> To: fahrvegnugen@cox.net,  Brian <brianm@earendel.org>
> CC: Daun Yeagley <vwdaun@yahoo.com>,  scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: RE: VW Dealership
> 
> wow, i do want electronic ignition... maybe when this
> 1.6 gives out i'll throw in a 1.8 16v with a 5 speed. 
> or maybe i can swipe a 1.8T with a 6-speed from my VW
> dealer when they aren't looking! how much do they
> weigh???  i'll start working out today.... PS- our VW
> dealer's building is entirely built of glass, so
> everyone would see me, hahaha, btw, i think a glass
> building is a great idea in the middle of tornado
> alley!
>  

You can thank your German Brethren for that...  Every VW dealership that is being built now, they all have the same front, glass, glass, and glass...

David

> --- David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: Lars Bruchmann <pilotlars@yahoo.com>
> > > Date: 2004/08/25 Wed PM 11:51:46 EDT
> > > To: Brian <brianm@earendel.org>,  David Utley
> > <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> > > CC: Daun Yeagley <vwdaun@yahoo.com>, 
> > scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > Subject: RE: VW Dealership
> > > 
> > > hi, i drive a 1979 'rocco, with the original 1.6
> > low
> > > output (high vibration and high noise output)
> > engine,
> > > non electronic ignition with no catalytic
> > converter..
> > > and no emission control at all.. so maybe i'm a
> > bit
> > > behind the times.. but what the dickens is a coil
> > > pack??  and why do they cost as much as my rent???
> > 
> > 
> > T'aint a problem you will have to deal with,
> > McGee...   :-)
> > 
> > A coil pack replaces the distributor, it is a
> > direct-fire ignition.  The comupter senses 'pulses'
> > from a magnetic sensor in the bellhousing (ETKA
> > calls these 'impulse senders).  That tells the
> > computer when to fire the ignition without need of a
> > distributor.  It is much more accurate as well, as
> > you do not have all the gearing slop that you would
> > with a dist.  The coil packs tend to have the
> > amplifiers built in as well (an amplifier you would
> > not see on your car originally, unless you updated
> > to a pointless ignition system...  When the coil
> > packs go out, it is nine times out of ten, the
> > amplifier alone that has failed.  One reason why
> > they are so expensive is because of the fact that
> > you are buying two items...  Everything is an
> > assembly anymore...  Eventually, the engines
> > themselves will be complete assemblies!  [/rant]
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >   David
> > > --- Brian <brianm@earendel.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > So Now I have an unnamed individual complaining
> > that
> > > > the coilpacks dont 
> > > > work worth a crapola with an aftermarket EMS,
> > and VW
> > > > charging $600 to 
> > > > replace 4 coilpacks. damn I could make a fortune
> > > > replacing the std crappy 
> > > > VW ones with a GM setup... or hell 4 original vw
> > > > coils and bosch008 
> > > > modules...
> > > > I'd only charge... $500...
> > > > hehehe...
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, David Utley wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Tonee,
> > > > >   I will offer a few comments, if only to
> > serve as
> > > > a bit of a sounding board
> > > > > and so much as an employee of another (ahem)
> > > > dealership...  :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of Tonee Northam
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 11:10 PM
> > > > > To: Daun Yeagley
> > > > > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > > Subject: VW Dealership
> > > > > 
> > > > > They told me the loose air intake boot
> > (bullshit)
> > > > was the cause for the
> > > > > check engine light and "emmisions workshop"
> > > > message.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I respect your opinion, however, what makes
> > you
> > > > think that this is not
> > > > > possible?  I am assuming that the car in
> > question
> > > > is some version of an A4
> > > > > platform...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > And that the driver's side seat airbag needed
> > to
> > > > be completely replaced for
> > > > > $720.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Today, this get's better...................
> > > > > 
> > > > > For some odd reason they "said" they check the
> > > > coil pack by spraying water
> > > > > on it, stating that it was arching. I didn't
> > ask
> > > > them to check that. $600 to
> > > > > replace. Last time I checked I was born on
> > > > 11-26-69 at 0430, not fckn
> > > > > yesturday.
> > > > > Is this a Passat?  I do not know of any coil
> > that
> > > > is that high.  The
> > > > > amplifier for the Passat however is 450.00 or
> > > > so...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > When I inspected the engine bay around the
> > coil
> > > > pack, dust and dirt
> > > > > everywhere. Not one thing showed the removal
> > of
> > > > the engine cover to get to
> > > > > the coil pack. Water seems to magically turn
> > into
> > > > dust and dirt only in a
> > > > > dealership service department, I think I found
> > > > David Copperfield!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yeah, that is a new one on me, although the
> > > > reasoning is sound.  The
> > > > > evidence would be enough for me to question
> > them
> > > > as well however...
> > > > > 
> > > > > The "new" or should I say "original" airbag
> > > > diagnosis shows "airbag inflator
> > > > > resistance to high, sporatic. The last time I
> > > > checked "resistance" had to do
> > > > > with "electricity".
> > > > > Yes, this is true.  However, we do on occasion
> > > > replace airbags because
> > > > > despite the use of a new harness, there is
> > still
> > > > too much resistance in the
> > > > > line to the airbag.  The light stays on if it
> > is
> > > > passed a certain
> > > > > resistance, and sometimes the only way to fix
> > it
> > > > is to replace it.  This is
> > > > > one of the reasons why I drive a twenty year
> > old
> > > > car, it will still be at
> > > > > least semi-functional in another twenty (my
> > > > two-cents)...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > They also found a wire that leads up to the
> > > > seatbelt lock that was severed,
> > > > > so they stated was the main culprit. My hair
> > would
> > > > never turn blonde even if
> > > > > I lived in the desert!
> > > > > We replace the harness to the side airbags and
> > the
> > > > seatbelt receivers (the
> > > > > severed wire you mentioned) quite often. 
> > Folks
> > > > move the seats back and
> > > > > forth as if they were in front of the dinner
> > > > table, not realizing that all
> > > > > this movement makes those harnesses go out... 
> > > > Granted, if VW were smart,
> > > > > they would have made those wires braided, but
> > that
> > > > would have prolly raised
> > > > > the resistance and therefore defeated its'
> > > > purpose...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > So after charging me another $95 to find out
> > that
> > > > I now need, oh, let's
> > > > > see.........
> > > > > 
> > > > > Coil Pack...$600
> > > > > 02 Sensor..$132
> > > > > Seat belt wire...$40
> > > > > Airbag wire harness...$60
> > > > > MAF Sensor....Free
> > > > > ..........................................
> > > > > $832 plus $190 (2-diagnosis) for finding out
> > what
> > > > I'm really not to sure.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, tomorrow is going to be eventful when my
> > > > "file" with VWOA is updated.
> > 
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