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OT: VW Dealership

This type of ignition is called a wasted spark ignition because of the 2 
cyl. firing at a time. One cylinder fires on its ignition cycle and the 
second is firing on its exhaust cylce and it is reverse the next time that 
coil sparks.



Peace Out,
Rhett
Rocco_crossing
'83 Rocco (DEAD!!) :-(  Now what to do???
Buy a GTI!! Got an '83 for that too!!





>From: SequoiaGLX@twcny.rr.com
>Reply-To: SequoiaGLX@twcny.rr.com
>To: Lars Bruchmann <pilotlars@yahoo.com>
>CC: Daun Yeagley <vwdaun@yahoo.com>, Brian <brianm@earendel.org>, 
>scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: OT: VW Dealership
>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:13:37 -0400
>
>Somewhere after the first Motronic on VW's they replaced the distributor 
>and coil with a coilpack assembly.  The computer controller grounds each 
>one of the packs when it decides to fire a cylinder, then when it removes 
>ground the coil charges again just like a conventional coil.  The 
>difference is that there's no rotor, the computer controls firing directly. 
>  Usually they run one coil pack to two cylinders, the two cylinders that 
>are opposite each other in firing.
>
>And no, they have come down for VW's, about $180 for the three coil pack 
>for VR6 12v or $124 jobber price that I get from NAPA.  If you need details 
>let me know, I can hook you up.
>
>John K. Gates
>--
>'97 Jetta GLX - daily driver
>'85 Scirocco Flash Silver, waiting for my new house/shop for a complete
>teardown/buildup sometime soon...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Lars Bruchmann <pilotlars@yahoo.com>
>Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:51 pm
>Subject: RE: VW Dealership
>
> > hi, i drive a 1979 'rocco, with the original 1.6 low
> > output (high vibration and high noise output) engine,
> > non electronic ignition with no catalytic converter..
> > and no emission control at all.. so maybe i'm a bit
> > behind the times.. but what the dickens is a coil
> > pack??  and why do they cost as much as my rent???
> > --- Brian <brianm@earendel.org> wrote:
> >
> > > So Now I have an unnamed individual complaining that
> > > the coilpacks dont
> > > work worth a crapola with an aftermarket EMS, and VW
> > > charging $600 to
> > > replace 4 coilpacks. damn I could make a fortune
> > > replacing the std crappy
> > > VW ones with a GM setup... or hell 4 original vw
> > > coils and bosch008
> > > modules...
> > > I'd only charge... $500...
> > > hehehe...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, David Utley wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tonee,
> > > >   I will offer a few comments, if only to serve as
> > > a bit of a sounding board
> > > > and so much as an employee of another (ahem)
> > > dealership...  :)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > > [scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf
> > > Of Tonee Northam
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 11:10 PM
> > > > To: Daun Yeagley
> > > > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > Subject: VW Dealership
> > > >
> > > > They told me the loose air intake boot (bullshit)
> > > was the cause for the
> > > > check engine light and "emmisions workshop"
> > > message.
> > > >
> > > > I respect your opinion, however, what makes you
> > > think that this is not
> > > > possible?  I am assuming that the car in question
> > > is some version of an A4
> > > > platform...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And that the driver's side seat airbag needed to
> > > be completely replaced for
> > > > $720.
> > > >
> > > > Today, this get's better...................
> > > >
> > > > For some odd reason they "said" they check the
> > > coil pack by spraying water
> > > > on it, stating that it was arching. I didn't ask
> > > them to check that. $600 to
> > > > replace. Last time I checked I was born on
> > > 11-26-69 at 0430, not fckn
> > > > yesturday.
> > > > Is this a Passat?  I do not know of any coil that
> > > is that high.  The
> > > > amplifier for the Passat however is 450.00 or
> > > so...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When I inspected the engine bay around the coil
> > > pack, dust and dirt
> > > > everywhere. Not one thing showed the removal of
> > > the engine cover to get to
> > > > the coil pack. Water seems to magically turn into
> > > dust and dirt only in a
> > > > dealership service department, I think I found
> > > David Copperfield!
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, that is a new one on me, although the
> > > reasoning is sound.  The
> > > > evidence would be enough for me to question them
> > > as well however...
> > > >
> > > > The "new" or should I say "original" airbag
> > > diagnosis shows "airbag inflator
> > > > resistance to high, sporatic. The last time I
> > > checked "resistance" had to do
> > > > with "electricity".
> > > > Yes, this is true.  However, we do on occasion
> > > replace airbags because
> > > > despite the use of a new harness, there is still
> > > too much resistance in the
> > > > line to the airbag.  The light stays on if it is
> > > passed a certain
> > > > resistance, and sometimes the only way to fix it
> > > is to replace it.  This is
> > > > one of the reasons why I drive a twenty year old
> > > car, it will still be at
> > > > least semi-functional in another twenty (my
> > > two-cents)...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > They also found a wire that leads up to the
> > > seatbelt lock that was severed,
> > > > so they stated was the main culprit. My hair would
> > > never turn blonde even if
> > > > I lived in the desert!
> > > > We replace the harness to the side airbags and the
> > > seatbelt receivers (the
> > > > severed wire you mentioned) quite often.  Folks
> > > move the seats back and
> > > > forth as if they were in front of the dinner
> > > table, not realizing that all
> > > > this movement makes those harnesses go out...
> > > Granted, if VW were smart,
> > > > they would have made those wires braided, but that
> > > would have prolly raised
> > > > the resistance and therefore defeated its'
> > > purpose...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So after charging me another $95 to find out that
> > > I now need, oh, let's
> > > > see.........
> > > >
> > > > Coil Pack...$600
> > > > 02 Sensor..$132
> > > > Seat belt wire...$40
> > > > Airbag wire harness...$60
> > > > MAF Sensor....Free
> > > > ..........................................
> > > > $832 plus $190 (2-diagnosis) for finding out what
> > > I'm really not to sure.
> > > >
> > > > So, tomorrow is going to be eventful when my
> > > "file" with VWOA is updated.
> > > >
> > > > WAR is never really over, and I've got alot of
> > > time right now and nothing to
> > > > do.
> > > >
> > > > Hey Cathy, I'm almost getting as long as your
> > > emails. hehe
> > > >
> > > > Very pissed off individual,
> > > >
> > > > Tonee
> > > >
> > > > I can sympathize man, but unfortunately, these are
> > > all very common repairs
> > > > on these cars...  Let me know what year, model,
> > > engine, and mileage, and I
> > > > will do a little homework here...  In the
> > > meantime, please realize that if
> > > > you keep all this agression inside, you are going
> > > to end up just like me!
> > > > :-P  And you all wonder why I am a prick sometimes
> > > (yes, sometimes damn
> > > > it)... :)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >    David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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