OT: VW Dealership

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Somewhere after the first Motronic on VW's they replaced the distributor and coil with a coilpack assembly.  The computer controller grounds each one of the packs when it decides to fire a cylinder, then when it removes ground the coil charges again just like a conventional coil.  The difference is that there's no rotor, the computer controls firing directly.  Usually they run one coil pack to two cylinders, the two cylinders that are opposite each other in firing.

And no, they have come down for VW's, about $180 for the three coil pack for VR6 12v or $124 jobber price that I get from NAPA.  If you need details let me know, I can hook you up.

John K. Gates
--
'97 Jetta GLX - daily driver
'85 Scirocco Flash Silver, waiting for my new house/shop for a complete
teardown/buildup sometime soon...

----- Original Message -----
From: Lars Bruchmann <pilotlars@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 11:51 pm
Subject: RE: VW Dealership

> hi, i drive a 1979 'rocco, with the original 1.6 low
> output (high vibration and high noise output) engine,
> non electronic ignition with no catalytic converter..
> and no emission control at all.. so maybe i'm a bit
> behind the times.. but what the dickens is a coil
> pack??  and why do they cost as much as my rent???
> --- Brian <brianm@earendel.org> wrote:
> 
> > So Now I have an unnamed individual complaining that
> > the coilpacks dont 
> > work worth a crapola with an aftermarket EMS, and VW
> > charging $600 to 
> > replace 4 coilpacks. damn I could make a fortune
> > replacing the std crappy 
> > VW ones with a GM setup... or hell 4 original vw
> > coils and bosch008 
> > modules...
> > I'd only charge... $500...
> > hehehe...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004, David Utley wrote:
> > 
> > > Tonee,
> > >   I will offer a few comments, if only to serve as
> > a bit of a sounding board
> > > and so much as an employee of another (ahem)
> > dealership...  :)
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > [scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf
> > Of Tonee Northam
> > > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 11:10 PM
> > > To: Daun Yeagley
> > > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > Subject: VW Dealership
> > > 
> > > They told me the loose air intake boot (bullshit)
> > was the cause for the
> > > check engine light and "emmisions workshop"
> > message.
> > > 
> > > I respect your opinion, however, what makes you
> > think that this is not
> > > possible?  I am assuming that the car in question
> > is some version of an A4
> > > platform...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > And that the driver's side seat airbag needed to
> > be completely replaced for
> > > $720.
> > > 
> > > Today, this get's better...................
> > > 
> > > For some odd reason they "said" they check the
> > coil pack by spraying water
> > > on it, stating that it was arching. I didn't ask
> > them to check that. $600 to
> > > replace. Last time I checked I was born on
> > 11-26-69 at 0430, not fckn
> > > yesturday.
> > > Is this a Passat?  I do not know of any coil that
> > is that high.  The
> > > amplifier for the Passat however is 450.00 or
> > so...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > When I inspected the engine bay around the coil
> > pack, dust and dirt
> > > everywhere. Not one thing showed the removal of
> > the engine cover to get to
> > > the coil pack. Water seems to magically turn into
> > dust and dirt only in a
> > > dealership service department, I think I found
> > David Copperfield!
> > > 
> > > Yeah, that is a new one on me, although the
> > reasoning is sound.  The
> > > evidence would be enough for me to question them
> > as well however...
> > > 
> > > The "new" or should I say "original" airbag
> > diagnosis shows "airbag inflator
> > > resistance to high, sporatic. The last time I
> > checked "resistance" had to do
> > > with "electricity".
> > > Yes, this is true.  However, we do on occasion
> > replace airbags because
> > > despite the use of a new harness, there is still
> > too much resistance in the
> > > line to the airbag.  The light stays on if it is
> > passed a certain
> > > resistance, and sometimes the only way to fix it
> > is to replace it.  This is
> > > one of the reasons why I drive a twenty year old
> > car, it will still be at
> > > least semi-functional in another twenty (my
> > two-cents)...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > They also found a wire that leads up to the
> > seatbelt lock that was severed,
> > > so they stated was the main culprit. My hair would
> > never turn blonde even if
> > > I lived in the desert!
> > > We replace the harness to the side airbags and the
> > seatbelt receivers (the
> > > severed wire you mentioned) quite often.  Folks
> > move the seats back and
> > > forth as if they were in front of the dinner
> > table, not realizing that all
> > > this movement makes those harnesses go out... 
> > Granted, if VW were smart,
> > > they would have made those wires braided, but that
> > would have prolly raised
> > > the resistance and therefore defeated its'
> > purpose...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So after charging me another $95 to find out that
> > I now need, oh, let's
> > > see.........
> > > 
> > > Coil Pack...$600
> > > 02 Sensor..$132
> > > Seat belt wire...$40
> > > Airbag wire harness...$60
> > > MAF Sensor....Free
> > > ..........................................
> > > $832 plus $190 (2-diagnosis) for finding out what
> > I'm really not to sure.
> > > 
> > > So, tomorrow is going to be eventful when my
> > "file" with VWOA is updated.
> > > 
> > > WAR is never really over, and I've got alot of
> > time right now and nothing to
> > > do.
> > > 
> > > Hey Cathy, I'm almost getting as long as your
> > emails. hehe
> > > 
> > > Very pissed off individual,
> > > 
> > > Tonee
> > > 
> > > I can sympathize man, but unfortunately, these are
> > all very common repairs
> > > on these cars...  Let me know what year, model,
> > engine, and mileage, and I
> > > will do a little homework here...  In the
> > meantime, please realize that if
> > > you keep all this agression inside, you are going
> > to end up just like me!
> > > :-P  And you all wonder why I am a prick sometimes
> > (yes, sometimes damn
> > > it)... :)
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > >    David
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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