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16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..

Subject: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
From: brianm at earendel.org (Brian McGarvey)
Date: Sun Apr 18 20:38:13 2004
In-reply-to: <00af01c425a0$6bec2650$0b0110ac@jeff9jjdka16ah>
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yeh yeah yaeh.
I hear ya.
Brianm


On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, Jeff Toomasson wrote:

> Brian - Did Patrick hi-jack your computer??  It's only so often that someone
> conjures up spelling mistakes that butcher up a sentence to the point it's
> complete void of understandability...  :p
> 
> (ducking) JT
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian McGarvey" <brianm@earendel.org>
> To: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> Cc: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>; "'scirocco list'"
> <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> 
> 
> > how to find TDC is some ham fist put your flywheel on wrong w/ an IMPACT
> > gun, and a drill.
> >
> >
> > find a long implent either a wooden dowel or the long phillips that comes
> > in the craftsman screwdriver kit.
> > put it in the #1 clyn hole.. it should be free and wiggle a fair bit. the
> > scredriver  is nice cause it cant fall in, but it hazardous cause its
> > metal.
> >
> > THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
> > THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
> > THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
> > IMPORTANT: only HAND crank the motor.
> > ONLY HAND CRANK THE MOTOR!!! in case anybody out there missed this.
> >
> > and then put your 19mm on the crank (youve already got the spark plugs
> > out). and carefully turn the motor over untill you see the object come up.
> > you will see that it comes up, stops, and goes back down.
> > when it is near the top look down at the lower t-belt cover and the
> > harmoic balancer pulley there is a tick mark. line that and that arrow up
> > on the plastic cover (not as precise as the TDC mark on theflywheel). Now
> > that object in the sparkplug hole  can be remove and put back in your tool
> > box.
> >
> > now go look again at the flywheel. you'll prolly see the dot and hack in
> > it now, its really really hard to screw up putting the flywheel on. The
> > bolt holes are not symmetric. use a flashlight.
> >
> > Now check the dist. the rotor should basically point right at the tick
> > mark on the sealing rim of the dizzy.
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, David Utley wrote:
> >
> > > Alright, I see what you are saying with regards to the dist. issue, and
> I will
> > > take the flywheel issue into account.  If you are right about the
> flywheel,
> > > then I am at a loss as to how to make sure I am at TDC.  BTW, the
> harmonic
> > > balancer is off slightly as well, is that keyed, or can it be improperly
> > > installed too?  :-(
> > >
> > > I did take your suggestion, and began to disassemble the top end so that
> I
> > > could time the cams properly.  Don is off on errands, and I am left here
> > > scratching my head.  I have a Golf 16V Bentley to advise me, but if the
> info.
> > > is there, I cannot find it...  To the point---How do I adjust the timing
> of the
> > > cams?  I am afraid to begin to loosen the caps w/o specific instruction,
> I
> > > remember reading somewhere someone lost a Shrick cam because he did not
> tighten
> > > the caps down in the correct order.  That may be apples to my oranges,
> but I
> > > would rather be cautious than fool-hardy...  The marks on the cams were
> indeed
> > > off, and not facing each other...
> > >
> > > I apologize for the hand-holding...  :-)
> > >
> > > Thanks very much for any and all suggestions..
> > >
> > > Cheers?
> > >    David Utley
> > >
> > > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> > >
> > > > The flywheel can actually go on opposite of what it's supposed to if
> the
> > > > dowel pins have been removed previously by some hack...Also, some
> > > > aftermarket flywheels are not marked (though it seems you don't have
> this
> > > > issue).
> > > >
> > > > With regards to the second distro installation config, look at the
> distro
> > > > location with it removed - you should see four bolt holes as opposed
> to two.
> > > > Install the distro without the bolts and without quite engaging the
> cam.
> > > > Rotate it so you get an idea of the two fastening config's. You'll
> just have
> > > > to experiment with each pair once you start running. I'm 85% confident
> that
> > > > this is your issue as I had to deal with this the first time I did my
> 2L
> > > > swap...
> > > >
> > > > FWIW - I still don't understand why there was a second set put
> there...
> > > >
> > > > G/L - Jeff
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > > > To: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>
> > > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > No, not trite...  I have not played with the 16Vs nearly as much as
> their
> > > > high-
> > > > > flow challenged brothers, but I am learning...  :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > More comments/questions below...
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dave -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This may sound trite, but if you're at all suspicious about the
> timing,
> > > > I'd
> > > > > > do each timing setup over from scratch so you can eliminate that
> from
> > > > the
> > > > > > equation. Since you're not the person who asembled the setup in
> the
> > > > first
> > > > > > place, I would recommend this even more. All the way to remove the
> > > > timing
> > > > > > belt cover and re-checking the marks...yes, you should check the
> cam
> > > > timing
> > > > > > too!  sorry... :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Couple things to check (which you may already have):
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Ensure your TDC is true and not for #4
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we have done this, by using the -0- mark on the flywheel.
> THe
> > > > > flywheels on the the 16Vs are the same as 8Vs in that they can only
> go on
> > > > one
> > > > > way, right?  In other words, if I check for TDC by using #1 piston
> > > > movement,
> > > > > and aligned the -0- on the flywheel to the mark on the bell-housing
> at the
> > > > same
> > > > > time, I would indeed be at TDC, correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2) There are two arrangements that the distro can be screwed in to
> allow
> > > > > > further adjustment. Try the other and leave the distro a tad
> loose.
> > > > While
> > > > > > you have buddy cranking the engine (or running), rotate the distro
> until
> > > > you
> > > > > > "find the groove" where it's running its best.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure I understand this, but my mechanic friend prolly will.
> I
> > > > will
> > > > > show it to him and see if he understands...
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the help...
> > > > >
> > > > > David Utley
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > > > > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:41 PM
> > > > > > Subject: OT: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > >   I actually have some 16V qyestions to ask, wooohhoooo!
> > > > > > >   The vehicle in question is an '82 p/up with a Passat 2.0 16V
> and
> > > > > > Scirocco
> > > > > > > CIS-E FI...
> > > > > > >   Okay, my friend Don and I got the pickup to run, despite the
> P.O.s
> > > > best
> > > > > > > attempts to put the thing together wrong.  The thing would start
> and
> > > > run,
> > > > > > > but you really had to work with the throttle to get it to
> accelerate,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > the sucker is SO LOUD...  Since it would not accelerate easily
> at all,
> > > > we
> > > > > > > began to look at the timing.  After removing #1 spark plug and
> > > > checking
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > TDC (esp since the marks at the flywheel could not be seen), we
> saw
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > cam was retarded by one tooth.  We fixed that and reinstalled,
> and ran
> > > > it
> > > > > > > up.  It ran much better, but it still was not right.  We then
> checked
> > > > the
> > > > > > > timing, and saw that the dist. could not be advanced any more
> because
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > was no more room left in the attachment slots.  Also, the timing
> mark
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > cam gear is not -precisely-pointed at the mark on the valve
> cover.  It
> > > > is
> > > > > > > retarded  about half a tooth.  These two things lead us to
> believe
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > cams themselves are not timed properly.  Does that seem like
> what is
> > > > > > > happening here?  The trouble that we now experience is that the
> thing
> > > > > > still
> > > > > > > does not want to rev like it really should.  It still sputters a
> bit,
> > > > esp.
> > > > > > > if you mash on it from an idler...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don wanted me to ask you all if this was worth the effort of
> re-timing
> > > > the
> > > > > > > cams...  I think the answer is yes, but I too am interested in
> what
> > > > all
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > think needs to be done...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any answers are appreciated, especially the quick ones, as we
> will be
> > > > > > > attempting to put things right starting noon Sunday, central
> time...
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > very much for your time!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers!
> > > > > > >    David Utley
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PS--  A first!  Although I have 7 VWs, I will for the first time
> have
> > > > 1.5
> > > > > > > running vehicles, woooooo-stinking-hooooo!  :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > David Utley
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > David Utley
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> > >
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> > -- 
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> > Brian
> > 88 16v $2004 GRM challenge car http://www.grmotorsports.com
> > 84 0v Next years car? mid engine... maybe we'll see
> > 82 0v Black 16v kit --parts
> > 82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition and bigger clutch. next.
> > 90 90q20v doing daily driver duty.
> > 91 VFR750F everybody needs a 11-12 sec vehicle.
> >
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-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------
Brian 
88 16v $2004 GRM challenge car http://www.grmotorsports.com
84 0v Next years car? mid engine... maybe we'll see
82 0v Black 16v kit --parts
82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition and bigger clutch. next.
90 90q20v doing daily driver duty. 
91 VFR750F everybody needs a 11-12 sec vehicle.

Contact method. Email me for AIM, ICQ, YahooIM, IRC, etc.
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References:
- OT: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
  - From: mr.utility at highstream.net (David Utley)
- 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
  - From: mr.utility at highstream.net (David Utley)
- 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
  - From: mr.utility at highstream.net (David Utley)
- 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
  - From: area53 at validpath.com (Jeff Toomasson)
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