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[audio] subs & boxes
- Subject: [audio] subs & boxes
- From: roccit_53 at hotmail.com (C Boyko)
- Date: Fri Nov 28 05:22:49 2003
Now about this carpet thing, I have a nice new chunk I want to put on my
rear tonneau cover/parcel shelf, whatever you call that chunk of masonite
that covers the trunk.
So the carpet I have is thin, not an audio type, but can I just run it over
the small speakers I have in there without a huge loss of sound output? It's
not a competition type system anyway, (I'd call it "retro", LOL) I just want
to hear the cassettes and would rather have a solid chunk of carpet back
there. If I need to use speaker grilles, I'll have to get some, there are
none there presently. So do I need to cut a hole in the carpet? It's a short
loop UV stabilized type in yummy chocolate brown)
LMK, Cathy
And for the NOS comment? I've seen way more turbo cars have issues at the
track. It may be more common in the Honda/Acura crowd, but it seems
relatively safe from my observations, limited as they are.
>From: Vince <vince@performancecarstereo.com>
>Reply-To: vince@performancecarstereo.com
>To: Adam J Garside <adam.garside@uk.ibm.com>, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: RE: [audio] subs & boxes
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:45:11 -0800
>
>You're right too Adam (why's everyone so afraid of an argument? what is
>this
>the whoretex?)
>
>speakers can sound really nice in that location because of how the sound
>reflects off the glass. Also if you have a smaller-than-10" sub in there,
>you can get more bass output by putting them on the shelf. Good job on
>building the box and splitting the shelf in half, thats a great solution.
>Remember you can always use a thin carpet over the woofers and hide them
>completely - it wont affect the sound as long as its the 'audio' carpet.
>
>Personally I don't use any rear speakers at all. When I go to concerts
>there's only 1 band, right in front, theres no extra bands in behind or
>anything. Things are spread out to my left and right and in front - which
>is a 'stereo field'. The music we listen to is recorded in stereo,
>left+right, whether its live or studio. There's no rear channel info
>coming
>from the source at all. The preamp in your deck splits the signal to
>provide a dual-stereo setup. What it's there for is the rear passengers.
>You'll notice now some cars (esp vw) are aiming the rear tweeters backwards
>towards the rear occupants - making them less audible to the front
>passengers. I don't run rear passengers let alone a rear seat and I'm
>only interested in a single stereo field so that I can accurately reproduce
>what the recording engineer was hearing - I guarantee you he didn't have
>any
>rear speakers happenin.
>
>It's the same with home stereos. Many people hook up speakers to the 'b'
>channel on their amp and use them as rear speakers in the same room as the
>'a' speakers. The 'b' channel is actually intended as a seperate stereo
>field, as in another room. Having extra speakers in the same room is
>giving
>up on your stereo field and just going for output. Then theres the people
>who use 'loudness' as a bass boost - but lets not turn this into a huge
>rant.
>
>I have a canton 3 way 8-5-1 set up front - I'll be adding a sub later but
>with these cantons you hardly need it. I sell high-end, super-tax gear
>every
>day, and honestly it seems like the more you add the worst it gets. Even
>brand new 10k super-techy speakers lack something compared to an old
>mbquart
>set, or the old canton set I run. Simplicity is the key to great sound:
>figure out how to mount 2 decent speakers an equal distance from you and to
>each other - power them properly with a clean signal source and you're good
>to go! (of course you are limited by your car - so just get as close as
>possible).
>
>Vince
>alright thats all the change I got
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Adam J Garside
> > Sent: November 28, 2003 1:08 AM
> > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: RE: [audio] subs & boxes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi guys,
> > I'm afraid I disagree, I have a full Infinity 3-way component set on my
> > rear deck, the 6x9's are mounted into the parcel shelf, the 4"
> > Mid and EMIT
> > tweeter are mounted into the stock 4x6 mounts.
> > I built a rear shelf that hinges in the middle, this is a neat styling
> > touch and also supports the weight of the speakers. I have also
> > gone as far
> > as to box the 6x9's to protect them from the air movement the Sub
>creates
> > and allow them to punch more.
> > I'm not trying to start an argument, It's just my opinion. (also i agree
> > that the standard Rocco rear shelf is inadequate to mount speakers
>into.)
> >
> > Pics here:-
> > http://adamg.250free.com/Rocco_Pics/1cs_kit.jpg
> > http://adamg.250free.com/Rocco_Pics/Boot3.jpg
> >
> > The install is still a work in progress (that's why cables are
> > everywhere!)
> > However, it sounds excellent so far with the rear speakers
> > mounted how they
> > are.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > AdamG
> > '92 Scala 1.8i 8v
> > http://www.geocities.com/little_log
> >
> >
> >
> > |---------+-------------------------------->
> > | | Vince |
> > | | <vince@performancecar|
> > | | stereo.com> |
> > | | Sent by: |
> > | | scirocco-l-bounces@sc|
> > | | irocco.org |
> > | | |
> > | | |
> > | | 28/11/2003 08:19 |
> > | | Please respond to |
> > | | vince |
> > | | |
> > |---------+-------------------------------->
> >
> > >-----------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------------------------------------------------------------|
> > |
> > |
> > | To: "T. Reed" <treed2@wsu.edu>, "Foxx (in a box)"
> > <foxxinabox@wideopenwest.com> |
> > | cc: Scirocco List <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > |
> > | Subject: RE: [audio] subs & boxes
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |
> >
> > >-----------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------------------------------------------------------------|
> >
> >
> >
> > There ya have it, the perfect second opinion!
> >
> > Honestly Toby's completely right, speakers on the hatch aren't the best
> > idea. I was going with it since rocco guys usually have their
> > minds set on
> > something and its best to just go with it. Annnnyways - defenately a
> > spare
> > tire box or just a simple box in the trunk is a better choice.
>However,
> > with just 2 5.25" woofers, you're not going to hear very much. You
>could
> > build a really nice fiberglass box in the left side behind the rear
>wheel
> > well. You could do all kinds of things - but I understand if you
> > just want
> > them on the hatch lid. Lots of people want them on the hatch
> > lid. Despite
> > what toby says about ya if you can justify the consequenses he
> > conveniently
> > outlined and it makes you happy - go for it!
> >
> > ;) toby
> >
> > -some loose change
> >
> > Vince
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of T. Reed
> > > Sent: November 28, 2003 12:03 AM
> > > To: Foxx (in a box)
> > > Cc: Scirocco List
> > > Subject: Re: [audio] subs & boxes
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't make 'yet another' hatch lid with speakers in it. Many a nice
> > > decklid has been ruined by some moron with a saw installing
> > 6x9s. Even if
> > > you're planning on building a new lid first, consider the problems
>with
> > > such a setup:
> > >
> > > - your speakers will be very visible to the world, particularly
>thieves.
> > > - you'll have to make an abnormally thick lid (=uneven surface with
>the
> > > carpet side panels) because the speakers add weight and if you don't
> > the
> > > lid will flex and sag a lot.
> > > - the extra thick lid will weight a lot more and the rubber straps
>that
> > > hold the lid will break so you will have to replace them with
> > chains or
> > > cables that rattle and make noise.
> > > - you will have to run wiring to the lid, which means you can't take
>it
> > > out. Or, you can only take it out if you seperate disconnects. This
>is
> > a
> > > pain no matter what.. and makes it much harder to remove the
> > lid to put
> > > large cargo in the trunk.
> > > - if you take the lid out to transfer large cargo or whatever then you
> > > will have no speakers there until you put it back in.
> > > - if you just drop them in the lid without a box they will sound like
> > > crap, but if you build a box on the underside of the lid it will add
> > > weight to the lid and make your trunk smaller
> > > - the car looks extraordinarily goofy and non-stock with the two side
> > > speakers, plus two speakers in the rear lid.
> > > - if your trunk is open when its raining then the speaker cones will
>get
> > > wet and the grilles may rust.
> > > - etc etc etc
> > >
> > > Installing speakers in the decklid is a choice along the same lines as
> > > lowering a car by cutting springs, using armor-all on the dash, or
> > > installing nitrous instead of 'legitimately' building a quicker
>engine.
> > It
> > > is a bad idea, made in bad taste looking only at the short term and
>will
> > > in quickly lead to problems or damage that reduces the value of the
>car.
> > >
> > > Do yourself and any future owners of your car a favor and build a box,
> > run
> > > new wiring and do a clean install. I would suggest for subs as small
>as
> > > yours that you build a triangular box that takes the diagonal formed
>by
> > > the rear seatback and turns it in the a vertical, with the subs
> > firing to
> > > the rear. Speakers that small don't need very many cubic feet and this
> > > would be a very compact arrangement that would take away almost no
>trunk
> > > space, be easily removable, out of sight and still sound good.
> > >
> > > I have something similar in my car, but it is more of an isosceles
> > > triangle with a flat peak than a right triangle. I had to sacrifice
> > > some cargo space to get the cubic feet necessary for my larger subs.
> > >
> > > My 2 cents, flame away.
> > >
> > > -Toby
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Foxx (in a box) wrote:
> > >
> > > > i managed to pick up a pair of 5.5" bose subs from a porsche box
> > that
> > > > were going to be thrown away (the box was bad and it was covered
>under
> > > > warranty = good by subs). at any rate, i'm planning on building a
> > > > special hatch lid for them and thought they should probably
> > be included
> > > > in a box. is there any special formula for box making? they've got
> > their
> > > > own little cool ports that i can use. info would be
> > appreciated. thanx.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > /\_/\ Foxx (in a box)
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> > > >
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