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[audio] subs & boxes
- Subject: [audio] subs & boxes
- From: adam.garside at uk.ibm.com (Adam J Garside)
- Date: Fri Nov 28 03:17:11 2003
I have to admit that many of the newer car stereo installs I've heard sound
amazing with just a pair of components and a sub, My mate worked for an
install place for a while.
I think If I was starting again, I'd go down that route but sadly I don't
have the cash to go down that route (even if I sold all my old kit).
So far my kit consists of:-
Alpine TDA-7556R Tape/Tuner ?250
Alpine CHA-S634 6 Disc Changer (with MP3 support) ?175
Alpine SWR-304D 12" Sub ?160
Infinity 1cs 3-Way Component set ?200
Phoenix Gold r5.25" Component set ?100
Sony XM 504x Amplifier ?150
Sony XM 1002hX Amplifier ?50
Total of ?1085
If I was buying again I'd prob buy:-
Rockford or Nakamichi CD/Tuner ?300
Diamond Audio Hex Component set ?350
Diamond Audio TDX 12" Sub ?400
Phoenix Gold 2 Channel Amp ?500
DLS monoblock Amp ?500
Total of ?2050
Plus I'd spend more on better interconnects, power cap etc
AdamG
'92 Scala 1.8 8v
http://www.geocities.com/little_log
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You're right too Adam (why's everyone so afraid of an argument? what is
this
the whoretex?)
speakers can sound really nice in that location because of how the sound
reflects off the glass. Also if you have a smaller-than-10" sub in there,
you can get more bass output by putting them on the shelf. Good job on
building the box and splitting the shelf in half, thats a great solution.
Remember you can always use a thin carpet over the woofers and hide them
completely - it wont affect the sound as long as its the 'audio' carpet.
Personally I don't use any rear speakers at all. When I go to concerts
there's only 1 band, right in front, theres no extra bands in behind or
anything. Things are spread out to my left and right and in front - which
is a 'stereo field'. The music we listen to is recorded in stereo,
left+right, whether its live or studio. There's no rear channel info
coming
from the source at all. The preamp in your deck splits the signal to
provide a dual-stereo setup. What it's there for is the rear passengers.
You'll notice now some cars (esp vw) are aiming the rear tweeters backwards
towards the rear occupants - making them less audible to the front
passengers. I don't run rear passengers let alone a rear seat and I'm
only interested in a single stereo field so that I can accurately reproduce
what the recording engineer was hearing - I guarantee you he didn't have
any
rear speakers happenin.
It's the same with home stereos. Many people hook up speakers to the 'b'
channel on their amp and use them as rear speakers in the same room as the
'a' speakers. The 'b' channel is actually intended as a seperate stereo
field, as in another room. Having extra speakers in the same room is
giving
up on your stereo field and just going for output. Then theres the people
who use 'loudness' as a bass boost - but lets not turn this into a huge
rant.
I have a canton 3 way 8-5-1 set up front - I'll be adding a sub later but
with these cantons you hardly need it. I sell high-end, super-tax gear
every
day, and honestly it seems like the more you add the worst it gets. Even
brand new 10k super-techy speakers lack something compared to an old
mbquart
set, or the old canton set I run. Simplicity is the key to great sound:
figure out how to mount 2 decent speakers an equal distance from you and to
each other - power them properly with a clean signal source and you're good
to go! (of course you are limited by your car - so just get as close as
possible).
Vince
alright thats all the change I got
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Adam J Garside
> Sent: November 28, 2003 1:08 AM
> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: RE: [audio] subs & boxes
>
>
>
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>
> Hi guys,
> I'm afraid I disagree, I have a full Infinity 3-way component set on my
> rear deck, the 6x9's are mounted into the parcel shelf, the 4"
> Mid and EMIT
> tweeter are mounted into the stock 4x6 mounts.
> I built a rear shelf that hinges in the middle, this is a neat styling
> touch and also supports the weight of the speakers. I have also
> gone as far
> as to box the 6x9's to protect them from the air movement the Sub creates
> and allow them to punch more.
> I'm not trying to start an argument, It's just my opinion. (also i agree
> that the standard Rocco rear shelf is inadequate to mount speakers into.)
>
> Pics here:-
> http://adamg.250free.com/Rocco_Pics/1cs_kit.jpg
> http://adamg.250free.com/Rocco_Pics/Boot3.jpg
>
> The install is still a work in progress (that's why cables are
> everywhere!)
> However, it sounds excellent so far with the rear speakers
> mounted how they
> are.
>
>
> Cheers,
> AdamG
> '92 Scala 1.8i 8v
> http://www.geocities.com/little_log
>
>
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> | | 28/11/2003 08:19 |
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> | To: "T. Reed" <treed2@wsu.edu>, "Foxx (in a box)"
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>
> There ya have it, the perfect second opinion!
>
> Honestly Toby's completely right, speakers on the hatch aren't the best
> idea. I was going with it since rocco guys usually have their
> minds set on
> something and its best to just go with it. Annnnyways - defenately a
> spare
> tire box or just a simple box in the trunk is a better choice. However,
> with just 2 5.25" woofers, you're not going to hear very much. You could
> build a really nice fiberglass box in the left side behind the rear wheel
> well. You could do all kinds of things - but I understand if you
> just want
> them on the hatch lid. Lots of people want them on the hatch
> lid. Despite
> what toby says about ya if you can justify the consequenses he
> conveniently
> outlined and it makes you happy - go for it!
>
> ;) toby
>
> -some loose change
>
> Vince
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of T. Reed
> > Sent: November 28, 2003 12:03 AM
> > To: Foxx (in a box)
> > Cc: Scirocco List
> > Subject: Re: [audio] subs & boxes
> >
> >
> > Don't make 'yet another' hatch lid with speakers in it. Many a nice
> > decklid has been ruined by some moron with a saw installing
> 6x9s. Even if
> > you're planning on building a new lid first, consider the problems with
> > such a setup:
> >
> > - your speakers will be very visible to the world, particularly
thieves.
> > - you'll have to make an abnormally thick lid (=uneven surface with the
> > carpet side panels) because the speakers add weight and if you don't
> the
> > lid will flex and sag a lot.
> > - the extra thick lid will weight a lot more and the rubber straps that
> > hold the lid will break so you will have to replace them with
> chains or
> > cables that rattle and make noise.
> > - you will have to run wiring to the lid, which means you can't take it
> > out. Or, you can only take it out if you seperate disconnects. This
is
> a
> > pain no matter what.. and makes it much harder to remove the
> lid to put
> > large cargo in the trunk.
> > - if you take the lid out to transfer large cargo or whatever then you
> > will have no speakers there until you put it back in.
> > - if you just drop them in the lid without a box they will sound like
> > crap, but if you build a box on the underside of the lid it will add
> > weight to the lid and make your trunk smaller
> > - the car looks extraordinarily goofy and non-stock with the two side
> > speakers, plus two speakers in the rear lid.
> > - if your trunk is open when its raining then the speaker cones will
get
> > wet and the grilles may rust.
> > - etc etc etc
> >
> > Installing speakers in the decklid is a choice along the same lines as
> > lowering a car by cutting springs, using armor-all on the dash, or
> > installing nitrous instead of 'legitimately' building a quicker engine.
> It
> > is a bad idea, made in bad taste looking only at the short term and
will
> > in quickly lead to problems or damage that reduces the value of the
car.
> >
> > Do yourself and any future owners of your car a favor and build a box,
> run
> > new wiring and do a clean install. I would suggest for subs as small as
> > yours that you build a triangular box that takes the diagonal formed by
> > the rear seatback and turns it in the a vertical, with the subs
> firing to
> > the rear. Speakers that small don't need very many cubic feet and this
> > would be a very compact arrangement that would take away almost no
trunk
> > space, be easily removable, out of sight and still sound good.
> >
> > I have something similar in my car, but it is more of an isosceles
> > triangle with a flat peak than a right triangle. I had to sacrifice
> > some cargo space to get the cubic feet necessary for my larger subs.
> >
> > My 2 cents, flame away.
> >
> > -Toby
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Foxx (in a box) wrote:
> >
> > > i managed to pick up a pair of 5.5" bose subs from a porsche box
> that
> > > were going to be thrown away (the box was bad and it was covered
under
> > > warranty = good by subs). at any rate, i'm planning on building a
> > > special hatch lid for them and thought they should probably
> be included
> > > in a box. is there any special formula for box making? they've got
> their
> > > own little cool ports that i can use. info would be
> appreciated. thanx.
> > >
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