Vibration = tranny?

[green536 at hotmail.com (Chris DeLong)]

It isnt the cages that are the problem with remans. Its the case hardening 
of the races. Reman joints have oversized balls (now, now, we are talking 
about car parts here ;) and in order to accomodate the oversized balls the 
races have to be machined larger. There isnt any treatment done to the metal 
during or after this process to harden the races. Thats why they fail so 
often.

All that said; if there is a good reman out there. Its probably so good that 
it looks like OE and I just serviced it like I would any normal axle.

Maybe Im just sayin to be careful out there. You never know what kind of 5yo 
boy made your reman axle unless you do some research. :)



Chris DeLong
Fine Tuning
206.367.5503
www.finetuningperformance.com
Seattle, WA USA





>From: Eric S <scirocco81@vwmail.net>
>Reply-To: scirocco81@vwmail.net
>To: "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com>, 
>rocco16v@netzero.net,amalventano@sc.rr.com, mkii@nycap.rr.com, 
>scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: Re: Vibration = tranny?
>Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:23:27 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Chris, while I nod to your experience, let me say your statement is a 
>little too broad.
>
>There are crap remans, LOTS of them out there, but there are a few 
>companies that make great reman axles.  I worked for a local import parts 
>shop that uses a company here in Denver called CVJ.  We didn't have those 
>axels coming back at all, and all the shops we delivered to raved about 
>their quality.  They used OEM boots and grease (at least the VW stuff 
>anyway) and reused factory cages if they were good, or put new cages in 
>(not sure on if they were german cages).  Yes, they were more pricey than 
>your FLAPS reman, but not as costly as total new joints either...so it was 
>a good deal.  I've had them in several of my VWs with NO ill effects, and I 
>don't treat my cars lightly either.
>
>--
>Eric
>www.VintageWatercooleds.com
>
>79 VW Iltis
>81 Scirocco S (*TDI* swap and complete restoration in holding pattern)
>81 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel (Waiting for BAE Turbo Install)
>83 Scirocco Wolfsburg
>91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow 8v swap and mechanical rebuild in progress)
>
>
>--- "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Ok two more things then.
> >
> >1. IF you worked on as many VW's every day for as long as I have then I
> >would consider your statement to be slightly noteworthy
> >2. I would VERY much like to know where you got the info that REMAN 
>(short
> >for REMANUFACTURED) axles come with NEW joints. I would also like you to
> >explain how it is then that REMAN axles with NEW joints have not been 
>heat
> >treated like NEW GERMAN joints.
> >
> >
> >Basically I have put lots of reman axles in a few cars. Mostly at the
> >customer request even though they were advised not to. I have also had to
> >take them out and put replacement ones in frequently. I think it comes 
>down
> >to the bottom line that people like the ease of swapping out and axle 
>with
> >known crap as opposed to taking the original axle out and taking the 
>joints
> >off and cleaning/inspecting/replacing as neccessary. I have NEVER had a
> >German new joint bad out of the box. I have personally owned 6 bad reman
> >axles in the time span of 7 months on one car that was not drivne very 
>hard
> >at all. If you actually sit down and do the calculations you will find 
>that
> >a new joint is only about 60$ per joint (2 per axle) and they come with 
>new
> >boots. Yes, those are NEW German parts. So for an extra bit of your time 
>and
> >about 50$ you get something that will last an easy 60k miles of hard
> >driving. Show me that ratio with a reman axle. I dare ya.
> >
> >
> >To those taht have reman axles in your cars. No offense. Jsut trying to
> >offer up some factual information regarding these bastard parts.
> >
> >
> >
> >Chris DeLong
> >Fine Tuning
> >206.367.5503
> >www.finetuningperformance.com
> >Seattle, WA USA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "L F" <rocco16v@netzero.net>
> >>To: "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com>,
> >><amalventano@sc.rr.com>,<mkii@nycap.rr.com>, <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >>Subject: Re: Vibration = tranny?
> >>Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:22:58 -0700
> >>
> >>That's a pretty broad statement.  Tens of thousands of people have used
> >>remans and are satisfied with them.  You can always get some defective
> >>units, make no mistake, but if you consider that remanufactured axles 
>have
> >>NEW CV JOINTS on them, they have to be an option.
> >>
> >>Larry
> >>sandiego16v
> >>   , reman axles are BAAAAAADDD!!
> >>
> >>   Chris DeLong
> >>
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