OT and not OT: towing ability

[scirocco81@vwmail.net (Eric S)]

I think thats the biggest issue here.  CIS-E does NOT seem anywhere near as reliable as CIS and CIS-Lambda.  Granted, its a more advanced system...but at a cost of reliablity, with a gain in certain areas like idle control, more precise mixture control, etc.  

I wonder how well a 16v would run (stock vs stock) if it was "down graded" to CIS-Lambda (not the euro 16v injection (straight CIS) that doesn't even use an oxy sensor).

And yes, the 16v vs 8v torque debate was debated and finally proved along time ago, that a 16v motor has more torque across the entire rev range than an 8v. 

(Though, I'd like to see a stock 16v compared to an RD motor, not a JH...more fair comparison because of similar compression ratios)  

Something about 16vs though, makes them feel like they have less low end grunt....probably because the bump in power in the high revs makes the rest of the rev range feel soft...dunno.  Definate case of the butt dyno lying, thats for sure.

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Eric
Northglenn, CO

79 VW Iltis
81 Scirocco S (*TDI* swap and complete restoration in holding pattern)
81 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel (Waiting for BAE Turbo Install)
83 Scirocco Wolfsburg
91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow 8v swap and mechanical rebuild in progress)


--- "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Umm Brian in Washington, you might want to look at some dyno sheets directly 
>pertaining to stock 8v's vs. stock 16v's and then rethink your understanding 
>of power and torque output of the 16v vs the 8v. Not to mention the fact 
>that 8v's break jsut about as often as 16v's. 16v's happen to have a little 
>more to the engine management system than 8v's. This makes them a little 
>more complex. Add to that the general cheapness of most 16v owners (spark 
>plug wires are too *expensive*, so I will just reuse the old ones until the 
>car dies). Simplify the 16v more and its just as reliable as an 8v.
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>Chris DeLong
>Fine Tuning
>206.367.5503
>Seattle, WA USA
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>>From: "L F" <rocco16v@netzero.net>
>>To: "Decker" <boisfort@myhome.net>,<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>>Subject: Re: OT and not OT: towing ability
>>Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:54:15 -0800
>>
>>Ouch.
>>:)
>>Larry
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>>   It's amazing Larry but it seems that 90 % of the dead or dying Sciroccos 
>>on this list asking for help seem to be 16 Valves. A 16 valve has to be 
>>running if it's going to tow. Why so much down time? If one likes to run at 
>>7000 RPM, brag horsepower and forget torque a 16 V is a great engine ( if 
>>it's running ).
>>
>>   Brian in Washington
>>   or California or anywhere else I want to go any day and every day in my 
>>little ole 79 Scirocco with a willing 8 V.
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