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Jason, I'd ask the local ice racers what their setups are. In SCCA
PerformanceRally, you're not allowed to run studs at all. Thus, the
alignment settings that I've suggested are probably more conservative than
you need to consider. I figure that you could optimally run a degree of
negative camber to compromise between straightline traction and cornering
grip. Also, Installing the caster adding bushings would be a great benefit
for you because with extra caster, you'll end up with camber when you turn
the steering wheel. Once you straighten out, however, you'd be back to the
static settings.
As for tires... I ran Bilzzaks on ice and various Hakkapaliitas in snowy and
mixed conditions. Again, your experience should be totally diffferent since
you're running studs. Definitely lubricate your innertubes with talcum
powder! Now... about the tire pressure... I really don't remember. You'll
have to play with that.
--
Scott F. Williams
NJ Scirocco nut
'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adams [mailto:roclist@accessconsulting.ca]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 3:57 PM
To: Scott F. Williams; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Alignment settings
Yes I mean ice track racing.
What tires would you have used for ice/snow conditions?
Right now I have some Goodyear Ultragrip with #18 studs (tires were
originally supposed to use #13 studs), traction is fairly decent (for what
you can expect on ice...) however I may try my hand at the Modified class
where bolted tires are used. I've only setup the suspension by eye, but
have kept things very conservative, Using the rear as a reference, the front
have about the same camber. that's what -1.5deg? So if I take some out I
should get more straight line traction? Also what kinds of pressures (tire)
would you recommend?
Thanks.
BTW, incase anyone is interested, I placed 2nd in a field of 16 cars last
weekend in my first real race. And I'm sure theres those out there that
would be happy to hear I beat all the civics out there, even another
Scirocco... :) Racing is such a blast....
Jason Adams
Fahrvergnugen Forever! ;)
84 rocco 16v
93 320i
98 Z71
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott F. Williams
To: Jason Adams ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: Alignment settings
What do I do for "non-street"? You mean rally? Or, do you mean autox or
something? Well, to tackle both those topics, my dirt/gravel alignment
was -2deg camber while on snow/ice I'd run 0 -.5deg camber. There just
wasn't enough lateral grip to need any more. I planned to increase caster
via bushings but never got around to it.
Now, I'm no autox suspension expert, but the Monster Rocc will be set up
for paved backroads. I'm going to run -2deg camber with a tiny bit of toe
out in the front (not sure how much yet). I'll also install those caster
adding bushings. They can be purchased from BSI Racing:
<http://www.bsiracing.com>
HTH
--
Scott F. Williams
NJ Scirocco nut
'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adams [mailto:roclist@accessconsulting.ca]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:48 PM
To: Scott F. Williams; Sebastian Liberona; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Alignment settings
So what do you use for non street?
I've got mine set up with a little toe out (in front), and -ve camber
of course. Rear is stock.
The midline steering is a little neutral, meaning I can Jiggle the
wheel ~3/4" either side of center without much movement from car, however
when it turn the wheel I really like the turn in...
Jason Adams
Fahrvergnugen Forever! ;)
84 rocco 16v
93 320i
98 Z71
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott F. Williams
To: Sebastian Liberona ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: Alignment settings
I always align my street cars to -1.5deg camber up front with zero
toe. I leave the rear alone. Did you get a print out describing how your car
was set up? Are you sure that your tire pressures are consistent all the way
around?
--
Scott F. Williams
NJ Scirocco nut
'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Sebastian Liberona
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:59 AM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Alignment settings
I was wondering what settings i should use for toe and camber on
the front. i got it aligned and they screwed it up, the car pulls to the
side and the rear always feels like it wants to fishtail. what settings
should i use? my car is lowered about 2.1 inches. thanks
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<DIV><SPAN class=560455520-27012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Jason,
I'd ask the local ice racers what their setups are. In SCCA PerformanceRally,
you're not allowed to run studs at all. Thus, the alignment settings that I've
suggested are probably more conservative than you need to consider. I figure
that you could optimally run a degree of negative camber to compromise between
straightline traction and cornering grip. Also, Installing the caster adding
bushings would be a great benefit for you because with extra caster, you'll end
up with camber when you turn the steering wheel. Once you straighten out,
however, you'd be back to the static settings.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=560455520-27012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=560455520-27012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>As for
tires... I ran Bilzzaks on ice and various Hakkapaliitas in snowy and mixed
conditions. Again, your experience should be totally diffferent since you're
running studs. Definitely lubricate your innertubes with talcum powder! Now...
about the tire pressure... I really don't remember. You'll have to play with
that.<BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>--<BR>Scott F. Williams<BR>NJ Scirocco
nut<BR>'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS<BR>Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted"
vehicle<BR>Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"<BR>ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers
wanted."</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jason Adams
[mailto:roclist@accessconsulting.ca]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003
3:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Scott F. Williams;
scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Alignment
settings<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes I mean ice track racing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What tires would you have used for ice/snow
conditions?</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><BR>Right now I have some Goodyear Ultragrip with #18 studs (tires were
originally supposed to use #13 studs), traction is fairly decent (for what you
can expect on ice...) however I may try my hand at the Modified class where
bolted tires are used. I've only setup the suspension by eye, but have
kept things very conservative, Using the rear as a reference, the front have
about the same camber. that's what -1.5deg? So if I take some out I should get
more straight line traction? Also what kinds of pressures (tire) would you
recommend?</DIV>
<DIV></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW, incase anyone is interested, I placed 2nd in
a field of 16 cars last weekend in my first real race. And I'm sure
theres those out there that would be happy to hear I beat all the civics out
there, even another Scirocco... :) Racing is such a
blast....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jason Adams<BR>Fahrvergnugen Forever! ;)<BR>84 rocco 16v<BR>93 320i<BR>98
Z71<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sfwilliams@comcast.net href="mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net";>Scott
F. Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=roclist@accessconsulting.ca
href="mailto:roclist@accessconsulting.ca";>Jason Adams</A> ; <A
title=scirocco-l@scirocco.org
href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003 12:26
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Alignment settings</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=060271620-27012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>What do I do for "non-street"? You mean rally? Or, do you mean autox
or something? Well, to tackle both those topics, my dirt/gravel alignment
was -2deg camber while on snow/ice I'd run 0 -.5deg camber. There just
wasn't enough lateral grip to need any more. I planned to increase
caster via bushings but never got around to it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=060271620-27012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=060271620-27012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Now, I'm no autox suspension expert, but the Monster Rocc will be set
up for paved backroads. I'm going to run -2deg camber with a tiny bit
of toe out in the front (not sure how much yet). I'll also install
those caster adding bushings. They can be purchased from BSI
Racing: <A
href="http://www.bsiracing.com";><http://www.bsiracing.com</A>></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=060271620-27012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=060271620-27012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>HTH</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>--<BR>Scott F. Williams<BR>NJ Scirocco nut<BR>'99 Subaru
Impreza 2.5 RS<BR>Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle<BR>Golf GTI 16v
"rollycar"<BR>ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jason Adams
[mailto:roclist@accessconsulting.ca]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27,
2003 12:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Scott F. Williams; Sebastian Liberona;
scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Alignment
settings<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what do you use for non
street?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've got mine set up with a little toe out
(in front), and -ve camber of course. Rear is stock.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The midline steering is a little neutral,
meaning I can Jiggle the wheel ~3/4" either side of center without
much movement from car, however when it turn the wheel I really like the
turn in...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jason Adams<BR>Fahrvergnugen Forever! ;)<BR>84 rocco 16v<BR>93
320i<BR>98 Z71<BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sfwilliams@comcast.net
href="mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net";>Scott F. Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=smash593@shaw.ca
href="mailto:smash593@shaw.ca";>Sebastian Liberona</A> ; <A
title=scirocco-l@scirocco.org
href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003 4:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Alignment
settings</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=690001812-27012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I always align my street cars to -1.5deg camber up front with
zero toe. I leave the rear alone. Did you get a print out describing how
your car was set up? Are you sure that your tire pressures are
consistent all the way around?<BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT size=2>--<BR>Scott
F. Williams<BR>NJ Scirocco nut<BR>'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS<BR>Mazda 323
GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle<BR>Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"<BR>ClubVAC:
"Roads found. Drivers wanted."</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Sebastian
Liberona<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003 2:59
AM<BR><B>To:</B> scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Alignment
settings<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was wondering what settings i should
use for toe and camber on the front. i got it aligned and they screwed
it up, the car pulls to the side and the rear always feels like it
wants to fishtail. what settings should i use? my car is lowered about
2.1 inches.
thanks</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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