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JE Pistons & block assembly
- Subject: JE Pistons & block assembly
- From: Joe.Doty@lcnetwork.com (Joe Doty)
- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:15:15 -0800
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Joe Doty
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-----Original Message-----
From: L F [mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net]=20
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:40 PM
To: Joe Doty; Anthony Pelletier; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly
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Get back to us on that after 100K miles.....
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Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Joe Doty <mailto:Joe.Doty@lcnetwork.com> =20
To: Anthony Pelletier <mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com> ;
scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: JE Pistons & block assembly
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Yeah. I like to use WD-40 when installing pistons.
FWIW, I did pretty much everything "wrong" when I was assembling this
last engine. I was in too much of a hurry to get the car running.
Forgot to lube the bores, forgot to prelube bearings, etc...I can't
remember if I primed the oil pump. After 10k turbo miles the car hasn't
burned a drop of oil. Just goes to show that you don't need to be anal
when it comes to engine building...
Joe Doty
IT/Development
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Pelletier [mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: Neal Tovsen; Chris DeLong; ralexander03@snet.net; scirocco-
> l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly
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> Correct me if I am wrong, but the concensus is that we
> are supposed to use motor oil on the bores when
> installing the pisons/rings?
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> Tony
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> --- Neal Tovsen <nealtovsen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "the wet engine"?? What does that mean?
> >
> > Neal
> >
> > --- Chris DeLong <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Motor oil is exactly what I used when lubing the
> > > cylinders during assembly.
> > > That was the wet engine. ahh the things you learn
> > > when you are young lol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris DeLong
> > > ICQ#45030867
> > > Seattle, WA USA
> > > '80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
> > > '91 GLi 2.0 16V (for sale)
> > > '77 Rabbit 16V
> > > '61 17 Window type II
> > > '91 Vanagon
> > > '84 Jetta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Neal Tovsen <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: Rick Alexander <ralexander03@snet.net>,
> > > scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > >Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly
> > > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:47:59 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Phew! Yeah, I used motor oil when I installed the
> > > >rings. I only used molly assembly lube on
> > threaded
> > > >bolts where specified by ARP or whatever, and on
> > > >bearing surfaces.
> > > >
> > > >Neal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Rick Alexander <ralexander03@snet.net> wrote:
> > > > > It's Molly lube that you are not supposed to
> > put
> > > on
> > > > > rings. It's some sort of
> > > > > chemical reaction thing that will affect the
> > > seating
> > > > > of the rings. Least
> > > > > wise that's what I remember learning. I always
> > > oil
> > > > > them up good.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Alexander
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Neal" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com>;
> > > > > <vwnuts@yahoo.com>;
> > > > > <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:44 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: JE Pistons & block assembly
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > A ring file is basically a fine pitch flat
> > > file.
> > > > > make sure you
> > > > > > > measure them.
> > > > > > > usually they dont need to be filed but you
> > > dont
> > > > > want to find out the
> > > > > hard
> > > > > > > way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JE rings will DEFINITELY need to be filed.
> > > Mine
> > > > > had zero gap out of the
> > > > > box.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > DO NOT LUBE THE CYLINDER BORES AFTER
> > > INSTALLING
> > > > > THE RINGS. this will
> > > > > > > end you up with a "wet" engine which will
> > > cause
> > > > > the rings not to
> > > > > > > seat and it
> > > > > > > will burn oil constantly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmmm...I've NEVER heard that before. It
> > wasn't
> > > > > mentioned in the books I
> > > > > > read. And I definitely don't know everything
> > > about
> > > > > engine building, but I
> > > > > > don't understand why that would happen
> > either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any oil on top of the rings will get burned
> > in
> > > > > combustion. Any oil between
> > > > > > the rings is MEANT to be there, right? Or
> > are
> > > > > those not oil galleys in the
> > > > > > piston that exit between the rings? And of
> > > course
> > > > > the oil sprayers (if you
> > > > > > have them) will spray the bottom of the
> > > pistons,
> > > > > feeding those galleys.
> > > > > How
> > > > > > does some oil on the rings during assembly
> > > harm
> > > > > things, exactly?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, I hope my engine still breaks in OK!
> > > After
> > > > > only 100 miles, it
> > > > > > doesn't seem to consume any real amounts of
> > > oil,
> > > > > considering I know I have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > slight gasket leak and that they're forged
> > > > > pistons...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > you should also have the bottom end
> > > > > > > balanced while
> > > > > > > you have it all apart. make sure to use
> > lube
> > > on
> > > > > the bearing journals
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > assembling. oh and dont forget to bring
> > the
> > > > > pistons with you when
> > > > > > > you drop
> > > > > > > off the block. they will need them to bore
> > > it
> > > > > properly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yup. Yup. Yup!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neal
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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[mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net] <br>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: JE Pistons =
&
block assembly</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>Get back to us on that after 100K =
miles.....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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></font></b><font
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face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com"; title=3D"vwnuts@yahoo.com">Anthony =
Pelletier</a> ;
<a href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"; =
title=3D"scirocco-l@scirocco.org">scirocco-l@scirocco.org</a>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: JE =
Pistons
& block assembly<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Yeah. I like to use WD-40 when installing pistons.<br>
<br>
FWIW, I did pretty much everything "wrong" when I was =
assembling this<br>
last engine. I was in too much of a hurry to get the car =
running.<br>
Forgot to lube the bores, forgot to prelube bearings, etc...I can't<br>
remember if I primed the oil pump. After 10k turbo miles the car =
hasn't<br>
burned a drop of oil. Just goes to show that you don't need to be =
anal<br>
when it comes to engine building...<br>
<br>
Joe Doty<br>
IT/Development<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:joe@lcnetwork.com";>joe@lcnetwork.com</a> <br>
<br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Anthony Pelletier [<a =
href=3D"mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com";>mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: </span></font><st1:date Month=3D"2" Day=3D"24" =
Year=3D"2003">Monday,
February 24, 2003</st1:date> <st1:time Hour=3D"12" Minute=3D"56">12:56 =
PM</st1:time><br>
> To: Neal Tovsen; Chris DeLong; <a =
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>ralexander03@snet.net</a>;
scirocco-<br>
> <a href=3D"mailto:l@scirocco.org";>l@scirocco.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly<br>
> <br>
> Correct me if I am wrong, but the concensus is that we<br>
> are supposed to use motor oil on the bores when<br>
> installing the pisons/rings?<br>
> <br>
> Tony<br>
> <br>
> --- Neal Tovsen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com";>nealtovsen@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > "the wet engine"?? What does that mean?<br>
> ><br>
> > Neal<br>
> ><br>
> > --- Chris DeLong <<a =
href=3D"mailto:green536@hotmail.com";>green536@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > > Motor oil is exactly what I used when lubing the<br>
> > > cylinders during assembly.<br>
> > > That was the wet engine. ahh the things you learn<br>
> > > when you are young lol<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Chris DeLong<br>
> > > ICQ#45030867<br>
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> > ><br>
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> > ><br>
> > > >From: Neal Tovsen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com";>nealtovsen@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > > >To: Rick Alexander <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>ralexander03@snet.net</a>>,<br>
> > > <a =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</a><br>
> > > >Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly<br>
> > > >Date: <st1:date Month=3D"2" Day=3D"24" =
Year=3D"2003">Mon, 24 Feb
2003</st1:date> <st1:time Hour=3D"8" Minute=3D"47">08:47:59</st1:time> =
-0800 (PST)<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >Phew! Yeah, I used motor oil when I installed the<br>
> > > >rings. I only used molly assembly lube on<br>
> > threaded<br>
> > > >bolts where specified by ARP or whatever, and on<br>
> > > >bearing surfaces.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >Neal<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >--- Rick Alexander <<a =
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>ralexander03@snet.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
> > > > > It's Molly lube that you are not supposed =
to<br>
> > put<br>
> > > on<br>
> > > > > rings. It's some sort of<br>
> > > > > chemical reaction thing that will affect =
the<br>
> > > seating<br>
> > > > > of the rings. Least<br>
> > > > > wise that's what I remember learning. I =
always<br>
> > > oil<br>
> > > > > them up good.<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > Rick Alexander<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----<br>
> > > > > From: "Neal" <<a
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com";>nealtovsen@yahoo.com</a>><br>
> > > > > To: "Chris DeLong" <<a
href=3D"mailto:green536@hotmail.com";>green536@hotmail.com</a>>;<br>
> > > > > <<a =
href=3D"mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com";>vwnuts@yahoo.com</a>>;<br>
> > > > > <<a =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</a>><b=
r>
> > > > > Sent: <st1:date Month=3D"2" Day=3D"19" =
Year=3D"2003">Wednesday,
February 19, 2003</st1:date> <st1:time Hour=3D"18" Minute=3D"44">6:44 =
PM</st1:time><br>
> > > > > Subject: RE: JE Pistons & block =
assembly<br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > A ring file is basically a fine pitch =
flat<br>
> > > file.<br>
> > > > > make sure you<br>
> > > > > > > measure them.<br>
> > > > > > > usually they dont need to be filed =
but you<br>
> > > dont<br>
> > > > > want to find out the<br>
> > > > > hard<br>
> > > > > > > way.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > JE rings will DEFINITELY need to be =
filed.<br>
> > > Mine<br>
> > > > > had zero gap out of the<br>
> > > > > box.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > DO NOT LUBE THE CYLINDER BORES =
AFTER<br>
> > > INSTALLING<br>
> > > > > THE RINGS. this will<br>
> > > > > > > end you up with a "wet" =
engine
which will<br>
> > > cause<br>
> > > > > the rings not to<br>
> > > > > > > seat and it<br>
> > > > > > > will burn oil constantly.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Hmmm...I've NEVER heard that before. =
It<br>
> > wasn't<br>
> > > > > mentioned in the books I<br>
> > > > > > read. And I definitely don't know =
everything<br>
> > > about<br>
> > > > > engine building, but I<br>
> > > > > > don't understand why that would happen<br>
> > either.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Any oil on top of the rings will get =
burned<br>
> > in<br>
> > > > > combustion. Any oil between<br>
> > > > > > the rings is MEANT to be there, right? =
Or<br>
> > are<br>
> > > > > those not oil galleys in the<br>
> > > > > > piston that exit between the rings? And =
of<br>
> > > course<br>
> > > > > the oil sprayers (if you<br>
> > > > > > have them) will spray the bottom of =
the<br>
> > > pistons,<br>
> > > > > feeding those galleys.<br>
> > > > > How<br>
> > > > > > does some oil on the rings during =
assembly<br>
> > > harm<br>
> > > > > things, exactly?<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Anyway, I hope my engine still breaks in =
OK!<br>
> > > After<br>
> > > > > only 100 miles, it<br>
> > > > > > doesn't seem to consume any real amounts =
of<br>
> > > oil,<br>
> > > > > considering I know I have<br>
> > > > > a<br>
> > > > > > slight gasket leak and that they're =
forged<br>
> > > > > pistons...<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > > you should also have the bottom =
end<br>
> > > > > > > balanced while<br>
> > > > > > > you have it all apart. make sure to =
use<br>
> > lube<br>
> > > on<br>
> > > > > the bearing journals<br>
> > > > > when<br>
> > > > > > > assembling. oh and dont forget to =
bring<br>
> > the<br>
> > > > > pistons with you when<br>
> > > > > > > you drop<br>
> > > > > > > off the block. they will need them to =
bore<br>
> > > it<br>
> > > > > properly.<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Yup. Yup. Yup!<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > > Neal<br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
> > > > > ><br>
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