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Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?

i don't believe this is true; when the dpr isn't getting any current, it 
reverts to a mechanical setting. basically, you're in limp mode when the 
computers aren't giving the FI any imput.


-Michael Abatzis
Hotlanta! GA
1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, finally taking orders: 
www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...




>From: "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com>
>To: JoshuaA.Conner@VerizonWireless.com, abatzis2@hotmail.com
>CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: RE: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 04:38:14 +0000
>
>limp mode isnt really available on CIS-E cars. bsaically if you have a poor 
>reading on the o2 or bad timing the o2 sensor will load up and put the fule 
>mixture on one or the other end of the range causing the car to run like 
>crap. The Bentley manual descibes exactly how to adjust the DPR current. 
>make sure this is done with a warm engine otherwise your final readings and 
>running will be off.
>
>
>
>Chris DeLong
>ICQ#45030867
>Seattle, WA USA
>'80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
>'91 GLi 2.0 16V (for sale)
>'77 Rabbit 16V
>'61 17 Window type II
>'91 Vanagon
>'84 Jetta
>
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>
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>>From: JoshuaA.Conner@VerizonWireless.com
>>To: abatzis2@hotmail.com
>>CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>>Subject: RE: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
>>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 23:00:13 -0500
>>
>>crappy timing in a nutshell i believe.
>>
>>Joshua C.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Abatzis [mailto:abatzis2@hotmail.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:28 PM
>>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>>Subject: RE: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
>>
>>
>>yeah, i'm curious as to what "limp mode" means--and what do you get when 
>>you
>>
>>check the dpr current? does it matter whether it's hot or cold when you 
>>turn
>>
>>it off and on?
>>
>>
>>-Michael Abatzis
>>Hotlanta! GA
>>1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, finally taking orders:
>>www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
>>1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com>
>> >To: dwalter2@wi.rr.com, rhock99@epix.net, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> >Subject: RE: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
>> >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 03:09:37 +0000
>> >
>> >have you tried checking/replacing the O2 sensor and setting the fuel
>> >mixture as per Bentley?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Chris DeLong
>> >ICQ#45030867
>> >Seattle, WA USA
>> >'80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
>> >'91 GLi 2.0 16V (for sale)
>> >'77 Rabbit 16V
>> >'61 17 Window type II
>> >'91 Vanagon
>> >'84 Jetta
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "Donald Walter" <dwalter2@wi.rr.com>
>> >>To: "Donald Walter" <dwalter2@wi.rr.com>,"Ryan H"
>> >><rhock99@epix.net>,<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> >>Subject: RE: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
>> >>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:01:55 -0600
>> >>
>> >>The main one that went form the negative terminal of the battery to the
>> >>transmission, halfway through it had a crimped connector that bolted to
>> >>the
>> >>frame back behind the left motor mount (drivers side).  This was for a 
>>16V
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
>> >>[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Donald Walter
>> >>Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:14 PM
>> >>To: Ryan H; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> >>Subject: RE: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>I had similar problems and went through the same attempted cures.  Mine
>> >>turned out to be a really bad ground strap replaced it with a new one 
>>and
>> >>it
>> >>tuned up nicely.
>> >>
>> >>Don Walter
>> >>'69 VW Bettle (used to)
>> >>'69 Karman Ghia (used to)
>> >>'70 Karman Ghia (used to)
>> >>'84 8v Scirocco (sold, wish I hadn't)
>> >>'86 16V 2.0L Scirocco (daily driver, 150k, rocco #2)
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
>> >>[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Ryan H
>> >>Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:11 PM
>> >>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> >>Subject: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>OK, I'm out of ideas.  Car runs in limp mode 90% of the time
>> >>(progressively
>> >>got worse).  If I turn it off then on, or nearly stall the engine, it 
>>goes
>> >>normal for a few minutes.  I've replaced (or swapped) nearly everything 
>>I
>> >>can think of (list below) that would be related.  Still nothing.  
>>Anyone
>> >>near Scranton PA that would be willing to help me with the car?  Like 
>>take
>> >>it off my hands and try to fix it for however long it takes.  I'd pay 
>>$200
>>
>> >>+
>> >>whatever parts need to be replaced to anyone who could figure it out...
>> >>really.
>> >>
>> >>OK, here's the list of things done:
>> >>New fuel filter (cheap one, though, but still...)
>> >>New knock sensor
>> >>Swapped knock boxes & ICM (tried 2 different ones)
>> >>Swapped distrib/hall sender
>> >>Swapped coil (part store only had 8V coil, but it still did the same
>> >>thing... can't find a 16V coil to test with)
>> >>Timed motor many times
>> >>New rotor/cap
>> >>New plugs/wires
>> >>Swapped coolant sensor
>> >>New main pump
>> >>New transfer pump
>> >>Hardwired FP relay
>> >>Checked & cleaned as many connections as I could
>> >>
>> >>This problem bothers me even more because the car runs sooo strong when
>> >>it's
>> >>normal.  When it's not, I can't even get to 4000+ rpm.  Geo Metros pass 
>>me
>> >>like I'm stopped. :o
>> >>
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