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Subject: does this sound right?
From: Larry" <rocco16v@netzero.com (Larry)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:09:02 -0700
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Too bad y'all are so far away, I'd donate my 'roc to this little
exercise....seriously.

Larry
sandiego16v

> > I'm located in Maryland.
> > My car is an 8V with Haltech, so I can't supply the guinea pig.
> > You can really convert from CIS to digi that fast?
> > LMK
> > Dan
> >
> > VWKING wrote:
> > >
> > > ok dan the man i am up to the challenge what the hell where are you
> located
> > > we can find the nearest dyno to us both and i will or you can bring a
> test
> > > vehicle cis-e of course and i will right before your eyes do the
> > > transformation and if it gives 20hp or more you pay for dyno time if
its
> > > less i pay for it deal?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
> > > To: "VWKING" <AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET>; "list"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 3:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: does this sound right?
> > >
> > > > Before we go any further I think you have to substantiate your claim
> about
> > > > 747's.
> > > > You didn't read that in Popular Mechanics, did you???
> > > > Christ! 25 years ago my dad wrote a program for McDonnell-Douglas
that
> > > could
> > > > calculate any performance parameter; time to altitude, fuel to
> altitude,
> > > > time to velocity, etc. etc. for an F4 Phantom within 10%! Tremendous
> > > strides
> > > > have been made since then in the ability to accurately calculate
> > > mechanical
> > > > or aerodynamic performance. Engineering calculations can be
> inaccurate,
> > > but
> > > > seldom by an order or magnitude, unless the calculation didn't take
> all
> > > the
> > > > variables into account.
> > > > So, let me reiterate. I get the impression you're thinking the 35 hp
> (or
> > > > something close to it) is possible.
> > > > I'm stating it's not. This modification, by itself, if good for 10%
or
> > > less!
> > > > (probably closer to 5%)
> > > > Dan
> > > > Continually amazed that people think engineering is black magic!
> > > > BTW anybody read Samrabbit's claims on Vortex how he "loves to
rewrite
> > > > history"? Actually, he thinks he's defying physics, but, of course,
> he's
> > > > not! Even more pathetic is he doesn't know the difference between
> history
> > > > and physics!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: VWKING <AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET>
> > > > To: list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>; Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: does this sound right?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > everything that you calculate on paper is not necessarily true. on
> paper
> > >  a
> > > > > 747 should not make it off the ground but its done everyday!
> somethings
> > > > you
> > > > > just have to try for yourself!
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > To: "VWKING" <AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET>; "list"
> <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 10:18 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: does this sound right?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Does that mean I CAN knock it since I have tried it????
> > > > > > It's not digi, but Haltech is speed density. NO intake
> restriction!
> > > > > > It ain't 35 hp!
> > > > > > I mean come on! You'd have to see a 3 psi pressure drop inlet to
> > > > throttle
> > > > > > body with CIS to pick up 35 HP by going to something else. I've
> > > measured
> > > > > it.
> > > > > > It's less than 1 psi. And the intake restriction on  a VR6 with
> MAF
> > > > based
> > > > > > Motronic has an inlet pressure drop of ~.5 psi. So, if you go
from
> CIS
> > > > to
> > > > > > MAF based digi you're going to pick up ~4% if you do everything
> right.
> > > > > > (unless, of course, your car's CIS is in sorry assed condition
> before
> > > > you
> > > > > > start!)
> > > > > > So, where's the 35 hp hiding in .5 psi inlet pressure
difference?
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: VWKING <AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET>
> > > > > > To: list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>; Dan Bubb
> <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 10:32 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: does this sound right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > dont knock it till you try it!
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > > > To: "VWKING" <AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET>; "list"
> > > > > <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>;
> > > > > > > "The Hitman" <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 5:06 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: does this sound right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You didn't say whether he's talking 8V or 16V, but in any
case
> 35
> > > hp
> > > > > is
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > least a 25% gain.
> > > > > > > > No matter how you cut it CIS isn't that restrictive. And in
my
> > > > humble
> > > > > > > > opinion, after spending a year constantly improving the
tuning
> of
> > > my
> > > > > > > Haltech
> > > > > > > > ECU, the CIS is a lot more accurate in fuel delivery than
most
> of
> > > > you
> > > > > > > think.
> > > > > > > > SDS website says power gains of 5-10% are possible going
from
> a
> > > MAF
> > > > > > system
> > > > > > > > to a speed-density system. So, if you go from CIS MAF to
digi
> MAF
> > > > > how's
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > going to make 25%?
> > > > > > > > Dan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: VWKING <AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET>
> > > > > > > > To: list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>; The Hitman
> > > > <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:58 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: does this sound right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > not fishy at all you dont even need the corrado ecu any
digi
> ecu
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > harness
> > > > > > > > > but you do need a fuel rail and with a custom chip you
will
> feel
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > 16v
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > things you never thought possible!
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "The Hitman" <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:11 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: does this sound right?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   there's a guy from gruven auto works who's claiming
that
> by
> > > > > > > switching
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > corrado g6o ecu and a fuel rail from any '91 digifont
car
> he
> > > > added
> > > > > > > 35hp
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > his '88 scirocco. sounds kinda fishy to me, what do you
> guys
> > > > > think?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So Sayeth The Hitman
> > > > > > > > > > '86 "psycho 16v" scirocco
> > > > > > > > > > '88 "stripe" 16v scirocco
> > > > > > > > > > <http://www.techography.net:82/brettsgarage>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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References:
- does this sound right?
  - From: vwscir88@hotmail.com (The Hitman)
- does this sound right?
  - From: AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET (VWKING)
- does this sound right?
  - From: jdbubb@ix.netcom.com (Dan Bubb)
- does this sound right?
  - From: AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET (VWKING)
- does this sound right?
  - From: jdbubb@ix.netcom.com (Dan Bubb)
- does this sound right?
  - From: AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET (VWKING)
- does this sound right?
  - From: jdbubb@ix.netcom.com (Dan Bubb)
- does this sound right?
  - From: AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET (VWKING)
- does this sound right?
  - From: jdbubb@ix.netcom.com (Dan Bubb)
- does this sound right?
  - From: AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET (VWKING)

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