16v assembly trouble

[green536@hotmail.com (Chris DeLong)]

How does the vbelt mark correlate with the mark on the flywheel? If it isnt 
correct; are you sure you put the flywheel on correctly? If so then you need 
to replace the crank sprocket or the cam sprocket as the built in key may 
have sheared and you cant see it without taking the pulley(s) off.


>From: "Rick Alexander" <rick@brubakerbox.com>
>To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: Re: 16v assembly trouble
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:42:23 -0500
>
>I have a greasy old Bentley, this is how I can definitively say that the
>ignition and fuel systems are working. I've done all of the checks for
>these. Although I'm far from a novice at building engines, this is my first
>water-cooled VW. I'll also admit that valve timing has given me fits before
>but I've never failed for three days to sort it out. By posting these
>questions I'm really asking what is peculiar about the 1.8 16v and what's 
>up
>with the v belt pulley mark being off by 90 Deg.?
>
>Rick Alexander
>http://www.brubakerbox.com
>http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
>http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jason Adams" <roclist@accessconsulting.ca>
>To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:38 PM
>Subject: Re: 16v assembly trouble
>
>
> > Do you have a bentley?
> >
> > I've found it very usefull when it comes to timing / ignition / clutch /
> > brake etc... work.
> >
> > With your flywheel at TDC the mark on the cam gear will be lining up 
>with
> > the mark on the valve cover (or 180° out, if this is the case rotate the
> > crank another revolution), always rotate the crank clockwise (when 
>looking
> > from pass side), when these marks are lined up the ignition timing is
> > roughly set as the distributer is directly linked to the camshafts (no
> > intermediate shaft to line up). The distributer will only go on one way.
> > Keep the screws for the distributer snug but not tight, btw use the 
>holes
>at
> > 10 and 4 for the distributer not 2 and 8! DOH! If everything is working 
>ie
> > knock box, hall sender, ignition computer, feul delivery, etc... (this 
>is
> > where the bentley really helps!), the car will start, may not run well,
>but
> > now you can time the spark by rotating the distributer and using a 
>timing
> > gun...
> >
> > I've got some pics if you want more help...
> >
> > Jason Adams
> > Fahrvergnugen Forever!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick Alexander" <rick@brubakerbox.com>
> > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: 16v assembly trouble
> >
> >
> > Thanks Peter, I have an antique "push it in the hole" type of 
>compression
> > tester and of course that is of no value where a 16v is concerned.
> >
> > I've reset everything based upon the flywheel TDC mark which looks to be
> > correct. Now I have another question that stems from my ignorance of
> > electronic ignition. In the old days, oh I'm old, so rather I should say
>in
> > the time of points and condenser a test light could be put on to get to
>the
> > approximate ignition timing. Then when it was running the dynamic timing
> > light would finish the job. How do you set the ignition timing up for 
>the
> > first run? The timing light is rather pointless before it runs.
> >
> > Rick Alexander
> > http://www.brubakerbox.com
> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
> > http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "The Scirocco" <peter@thescirocco.com>
> > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: 16v assembly trouble
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message -------------------------
> > > ---------
> > > From: "Rick Alexander" <rick@brubakerbox.com>
> > > Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:06:34 -0500
> > >
> > > >Ok, I'm stumped and require the assistance of the
> > > list.
> > > >
> > > >This is a completely rebuilt 1.8 16v. I've
> > > installed it in Rolling Roc ('87)
> > > >but can't get it to run. Ignition is operating,
> > > fuel system is operating.
> > > >The only thing left is the valve timing. I've been
> > > mixing and matching
> > > >things for three days now and I can't get it. I
> > > have assumed that the timing
> > > >marks on the cam gear indicate TDC. However it
> > > appears that the v belt
> > > >pulley is 90 deg. from TDC according to the dial
> > > indicator in #1 cylinder
> > > >and the marks on the flywheel. The v belt pulley
> > > is "keyed" so that it can
> > > >be installed only one way. What have I missed here?
> > > Is the valve timing set
> > > >up somewhere other than TDC?
> > > >
> > > >Rick Alexander
> > > >http://www.brubakerbox.com
> > > >http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
> > > >http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
> > > >
> > >
> > > I dunno...
> > >
> > > I would do a compression check, that should tell you
> > > if the valve timing is right.
> > >
> > > When I installed my 16V, I had to lift up on the air
> > > flow plate to start it for the first time.
> > >
> > > HTH!
> > >
> > > Peter - Bear Delaware 19701
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Chris DeLong
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Seattle, WA USA
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