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Man, Tyler, something else we agree on!! I use to work at a Toyota =
dealership and from then on out I have liked Toyotas more than any other =
asian car. Look at the Lexus!! One of the top, if not the top, Luxury =
cars from Japan! Still think it's funny that people pay so much for a =
renamed Toyota though!! Just buy an Avalon, cheaper and VERY nice cars! =
And the Landcruiser!!! One of my favorites!! Old and New! Anyway, I =
still love VWs though and will probably for a long time. =20
Dave
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From: Tyler P.=20
To: List (E-mail)=20
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:55 PM
Subject: RE: OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
Heck, my family has owned 3 Toyotas and I have never felt that they =
were light feeling. I feel that way about pretty much every new car =
except some German autos but we've had an 80 pickup, 84 Celica, and an =
82 or 84 Cressida. The Cressida was the only one with problems and that =
was all electircal. The Celica needed to be rolled twice before it was =
undrivable (the first roll hardly dented it), and the Pickup has hit so =
many things that it should have died long ago but its still running =
strong with close to 300,000 miles on the engine and that's with hardly =
ever changing oil (we kinda are waiting for it to die). The only asian =
cars I really don't like are honda's and acuras and thats mainly cause I =
find them uncomfortable and underpowered, overrated, and overriced. I =
think Toyotas have gotten ugly but they are still my favorite company of =
the 80's. Heck, the only reason that I bought a scirocco was because I =
was looking for a celica or supra hatchback and thought the scirocco =
looked just as cool. I still plan on getting an 84 Supra or something, =
as long as its the good looking hatch back. And I would argue with =
anybody who says that old toyota's have no character. =20
http://www.celicasupra.com/black84/side2.jpg <--- Now that's what I'm =
talking about!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Diamond Dave [mailto:dbarwick@sprynet.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:08 PM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
Anyone ever wondered why Japanese cars get all the really cool =
performance goodies? Limited slip differential (FWD & RWD), aluminum =
suspension parts, aluminum braking components, lightweight wheels, and =
small, efficient ancillary parts (radiators, alternators) are things =
that the German folk just don't get unless you go into the high $30K's.
Case in point. I'm a huge Nissan fan at the moment. A good friend of =
mine is doing phenomenal things with the SR20 engines. The SR20 (N/A and =
Turbo) is a performance engine I wish we had for sure. ~140hp aluminum, =
2L, with a 7300rpm redline. The engines come in several forms including =
one with variable valve timing. I just drove an SR20 powered '66 Datsun =
Roadster on a 1200 mile road trip to Mt Shasta (and Thunderhill =
Raceway); this was earlier this month when the temperatures were above =
110. On the fourth day of our trip I realized that it wasn't mandatory =
to chirp the tires into 3rd gear every time (although winding it out to =
it's re-mapped 7800rpm redline in 2nd gear was).
I also got some seat time in a 1990 240SX with 234k miles. It was =
the recent recipient of an SR20DET (s13) engine; ~200hp stock. That car =
was simply amazing. Well balanced and quick to say the least. The =
chassis itself was still in great condition and the interior was =
actually in decent shape.
If you can't respect the company, at least respect the machines.
Diamond Dave
88 Scirocco http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm
84 Jetta GLI http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg
Portland, OR=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Man, Tyler, something else we agree on!! I =
use to=20
work at a Toyota dealership and from then on out I have liked Toyotas =
more than=20
any other asian car. Look at the Lexus!! One of the top, if =
not the=20
top, Luxury cars from Japan! Still think it's funny that people =
pay so=20
much for a renamed Toyota though!! Just buy an Avalon, cheaper and =
VERY=20
nice cars! And the Landcruiser!!! One of my =
favorites!! Old=20
and New! Anyway, I still love VWs though and will probably for a =
long=20
time. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dty@festf.org href=3D"mailto:ty@festf.org";>Tyler P.</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>List (E-mail)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002 =
2:55=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: OT: German vs. =
Japanese car=20
comparison</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DCourier size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D396464321-25072002>Heck, my family=20
has owned 3 Toyotas and I have never felt that they were light =
feeling. =20
I feel that way about pretty much every new car except some German =
autos but=20
we've had an 80 pickup, 84 Celica, and an 82 or =
84 Cressida. =20
The Cressida was the only one with problems and that was all =
electircal. =20
The Celica needed to be rolled twice before it was undrivable (the =
first roll=20
hardly dented it), and the Pickup has hit so many things that it =
should=20
have died long ago but its still running strong with close to 300,000 =
miles on=20
the engine and that's with hardly ever changing oil (we kinda are =
waiting for=20
it to die). The only asian cars I really don't like are honda's =
and=20
acuras and thats mainly cause I find them uncomfortable and =
underpowered,=20
overrated, and overriced. I think Toyotas have gotten ugly but =
they are=20
still my favorite company of the 80's. Heck, the only reason =
that I=20
bought a scirocco was because I was looking for a celica or supra =
hatchback=20
and thought the scirocco looked just as cool. I still plan on =
getting an=20
84 Supra or something, as long as its the good looking hatch =
back. =20
And I would argue with anybody who says that old toyota's have no=20
character. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2> <SPAN =
class=3D396464321-25072002><--- Now=20
that's what I'm talking about!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Diamond Dave=20
[mailto:dbarwick@sprynet.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, =
2002 2:08=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: OT: =
German=20
vs. Japanese car comparison<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002>Anyone ever wondered why Japanese cars =
get all the=20
really cool performance goodies? Limited slip differential (FWD =
& RWD),=20
aluminum suspension parts, aluminum braking components, lightweight =
wheels,=20
and small, efficient ancillary parts (radiators, alternators) are =
things=20
that the German folk just don't get unless you go into the high=20
$30K's.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002>Case in point. I'm a huge Nissan fan at =
the moment.=20
A good friend of mine is doing phenomenal things with the SR20 =
engines. The=20
SR20 (N/A and Turbo) is a performance engine I wish we had for =
sure.=20
~140hp aluminum, 2L, with a 7300rpm redline. The engines come in =
several=20
forms including one with variable valve timing. I just drove an SR20 =
powered=20
'66 Datsun Roadster on a 1200 mile road trip to Mt Shasta (and =
Thunderhill=20
Raceway); this was earlier this month when the temperatures were =
above 110.=20
On the fourth day of our trip I realized that it wasn't mandatory to =
chirp=20
the tires into 3rd gear every time (although winding it out to it's=20
re-mapped 7800rpm redline in 2nd gear was).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D990452914-25072002>I=20
also got some seat time in a 1990 240SX with 234k miles. It was the =
recent=20
recipient of an SR20DET (s13) engine; ~200hp stock. That car was =
simply=20
amazing. Well balanced and quick to say the least. The chassis =
itself was=20
still in great condition and the interior was actually in decent=20
shape.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D990452914-25072002>If=20
you can't respect the company, at least respect the=20
machines.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D990452914-25072002>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Diamond Dave<BR>88 Scirocco <A=20
href=3D"http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm"=20
=
target=3D_blank>http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm</A><BR>84 =
Jetta=20
GLI <A href=3D"http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg"=20
=
target=3D_blank>http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg</A><B=
R>Portland,=20
OR</FONT> </P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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