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OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
- Subject: OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
- From: ty@festf.org (Tyler P.)
- Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:55:28 -0700
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Heck, my family has owned 3 Toyotas and I have never felt that they were
light feeling. I feel that way about pretty much every new car except some
German autos but we've had an 80 pickup, 84 Celica, and an 82 or 84
Cressida. The Cressida was the only one with problems and that was all
electircal. The Celica needed to be rolled twice before it was undrivable
(the first roll hardly dented it), and the Pickup has hit so many things
that it should have died long ago but its still running strong with close to
300,000 miles on the engine and that's with hardly ever changing oil (we
kinda are waiting for it to die). The only asian cars I really don't like
are honda's and acuras and thats mainly cause I find them uncomfortable and
underpowered, overrated, and overriced. I think Toyotas have gotten ugly
but they are still my favorite company of the 80's. Heck, the only reason
that I bought a scirocco was because I was looking for a celica or supra
hatchback and thought the scirocco looked just as cool. I still plan on
getting an 84 Supra or something, as long as its the good looking hatch
back. And I would argue with anybody who says that old toyota's have no
character.
<http://www.celicasupra.com/black84/side2.jpg>
http://www.celicasupra.com/black84/side2.jpg <--- Now that's what I'm
talking about!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Diamond Dave [mailto:dbarwick@sprynet.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:08 PM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: OT: German vs. Japanese car comparison
Anyone ever wondered why Japanese cars get all the really cool performance
goodies? Limited slip differential (FWD & RWD), aluminum suspension parts,
aluminum braking components, lightweight wheels, and small, efficient
ancillary parts (radiators, alternators) are things that the German folk
just don't get unless you go into the high $30K's.
Case in point. I'm a huge Nissan fan at the moment. A good friend of mine is
doing phenomenal things with the SR20 engines. The SR20 (N/A and Turbo) is a
performance engine I wish we had for sure. ~140hp aluminum, 2L, with a
7300rpm redline. The engines come in several forms including one with
variable valve timing. I just drove an SR20 powered '66 Datsun Roadster on a
1200 mile road trip to Mt Shasta (and Thunderhill Raceway); this was earlier
this month when the temperatures were above 110. On the fourth day of our
trip I realized that it wasn't mandatory to chirp the tires into 3rd gear
every time (although winding it out to it's re-mapped 7800rpm redline in 2nd
gear was).
I also got some seat time in a 1990 240SX with 234k miles. It was the recent
recipient of an SR20DET (s13) engine; ~200hp stock. That car was simply
amazing. Well balanced and quick to say the least. The chassis itself was
still in great condition and the interior was actually in decent shape.
If you can't respect the company, at least respect the machines.
Diamond Dave
88 Scirocco http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm
<http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm>
84 Jetta GLI http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg
<http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg>
Portland, OR
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has owned 3 Toyotas and I have never felt that they were light =
feeling. I=20
feel that way about pretty much every new car except some German autos =
but we've=20
had an 80 pickup, 84 Celica, and an 82 or 84 Cressida. =
The=20
Cressida was the only one with problems and that was all =
electircal. The=20
Celica needed to be rolled twice before it was undrivable (the first =
roll hardly=20
dented it), and the Pickup has hit so many things that it should =
have died=20
long ago but its still running strong with close to 300,000 miles on =
the engine=20
and that's with hardly ever changing oil (we kinda are waiting for it =
to=20
die). The only asian cars I really don't like are honda's and =
acuras and=20
thats mainly cause I find them uncomfortable and underpowered, =
overrated, and=20
overriced. I think Toyotas have gotten ugly but they are still my =
favorite=20
company of the 80's. Heck, the only reason that I bought a =
scirocco was=20
because I was looking for a celica or supra hatchback and thought the =
scirocco=20
looked just as cool. I still plan on getting an 84 Supra or =
something, as=20
long as its the good looking hatch back. And I would argue =
with=20
anybody who says that old toyota's have no character. =20
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what I'm talking about!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Diamond Dave=20
[mailto:dbarwick@sprynet.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 25, 2002 =
2:08=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: OT: =
German vs.=20
Japanese car comparison<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002>Anyone ever wondered why Japanese cars get =
all the=20
really cool performance goodies? Limited slip differential (FWD & =
RWD),=20
aluminum suspension parts, aluminum braking components, lightweight =
wheels,=20
and small, efficient ancillary parts (radiators, alternators) are =
things that=20
the German folk just don't get unless you go into the high=20
$30K's.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D990452914-25072002>Case=20
in point. I'm a huge Nissan fan at the moment. A good friend of mine =
is doing=20
phenomenal things with the SR20 engines. The SR20 (N/A and Turbo) =
is a=20
performance engine I wish we had for sure. ~140hp aluminum, 2L, with =
a 7300rpm=20
redline. The engines come in several forms including one with =
variable valve=20
timing. I just drove an SR20 powered '66 Datsun Roadster on a 1200 =
mile road=20
trip to Mt Shasta (and Thunderhill Raceway); this was earlier this =
month when=20
the temperatures were above 110. On the fourth day of our trip I =
realized that=20
it wasn't mandatory to chirp the tires into 3rd gear every time =
(although=20
winding it out to it's re-mapped 7800rpm redline in 2nd gear=20
was).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D990452914-25072002>I=20
also got some seat time in a 1990 240SX with 234k miles. It was the =
recent=20
recipient of an SR20DET (s13) engine; ~200hp stock. That car was =
simply=20
amazing. Well balanced and quick to say the least. The chassis itself =
was=20
still in great condition and the interior was actually in decent=20
shape.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D990452914-25072002>If=20
you can't respect the company, at least respect the=20
machines.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D990452914-25072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D990452914-25072002>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Diamond Dave<BR>88 Scirocco <A=20
href=3D"http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm"=20
target=3D_blank>http://scirocco16v.com/profiles/david_b.htm</A><BR>84 =
Jetta GLI=20
<A href=3D"http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg"=20
=
target=3D_blank>http://www.scirocco16v.com/jetta_gallery/mk1jet.jpg</A><=
BR>Portland,=20
OR</FONT> </P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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