ebay scam

[pbureau@attbi.com (ATS - Patrick Bureau)]

Listen up FOLKS,  THE KR European Engine Does produce 139 HORSEPOWER Get
oiver it already Damnit!

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ATS - Patrick Bureau
1985 8v **Planning 3A/JH  Upgrade**
1988 16v ** Euro Project/maybe 8v **
Web Site : http://longcoeur.com/scirocco


=>-----Original Message-----
=>From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
=>[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Larry
=>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:09 PM
=>To: Ron Pieper; Dirk Schneider; Victor Farren; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
=>Cc: BARTIMAUS@t-online.de
=>Subject: Re: ebay scam
=>
=>
=>Even though Steffen made no claims for the cam, other than identifying the
=>engine it came out of, the fact that he specifically mentions
=>"139hp" leads
=>me to believe that he is making a conscious attempt to make it as easy as
=>possible for the prospective buyer to assume things about the
=>item that are
=>not true.
=>It's called "implication".
=>He is NOT 100% in the right, he probably IS 100% within the law.
=>Is it our duty to protect the people who don't know the facts?  I dunno. I
=>suppose that's an individual call.
=>
=>Larry
=>
=>> [soapbox]
=>> FWIW, I got into a big debate on this very issue some months ago on the
=>> Vortex.  I stood up for Steffen because *HE DID NOTHING WRONG*.  He
=>> makes no claims about performance, period.  I think what's questionable
=>> is "protecting" fellow VW enthusiasts by harming Steffen
=>> (uhhh...another enthusiast and parts source, hmmm} by warding off his
=>> prospective buyers.  I made the analogy of a swap meet: if I had that
=>> cam on my table, making no claims and at a fair price, and you stood in
=>> front of my table "informing" everyone who looked at it, I'd sooner or
=>> later pop you in the mouth.
=>>
=>> And did anyone consider that Steffen may not have any idea about what
=>> the US-model cam specs are vs the Euro cars?  He doesn't live here or
=>> have our spec cars.  All he has is a cam to sell.
=>>
=>> This is capitalism, boys and girls, do your own damned homework and
=>> caveat emptor.  Even though you might like to think Steffen is a little
=>> close to the line (as do I, frankly), read closely: He's 100% in the
=>> right. [/soapbox].
=>>
=>> Ron
=>>
=>>
=>> --- Dirk Schneider <SCIROCCO2@t-online.de> wrote:
=>> > Hi,
=>> >
=>> > usually I don't care about off topic posts but
=>> > reading the posts about Steffen, I feel like I have to say someting
=>> > now.
=>> >
=>> > I have to admit that Steffen's auctions are a bit "LOUD"
=>> > and he still uses my turning VW logo ( that is O.K. for me
=>> > meanwhile.. :-)  )
=>> >
=>> > looking at that particular auction I can't understand the noise about
=>> > it.
=>> >
=>> > - it's doubtless an "Euro" camshaft as it is from an Euro Scirocco.
=>> >   you're confused because you see everything through your "USA eyes"
=>> > ?
=>> >   Doubtless the USA IS the most important country in the world ( and
=>> > IMHO the best one too .... )
=>> >   but you have to be aware there are some other countries and
=>> > continents too.
=>> >   After all this egocentric point of view that the bidders might
=>> > have, can't be the sellers problem.
=>> >
=>> > - the KR do have machines have 139 PS, I own one myself.
=>> >   Nobody who has a working brain claims that the 139 PS are generated
=>> > from the outlet camshaft.
=>> >  It is misleading ? Go and get some general knowledge about VW's
=>> > before installing camshafts
=>> >  and stop whining about e-Bay auctions. This is real life and no
=>> > Kindergarten..
=>> >
=>> > - he never said that the camshaft would increase power
=>> >
=>> > - the starting bid was $1 and not $100
=>> >
=>> > -  in case you bid on something, you should know what you're bidding
=>> > on
=>> >    the item in this auction is clearly described, the clown is not
=>> > the seller but the bidder :-)
=>> >
=>> > - some people do need an exaust camshaft, because it is worn.
=>> >   For $41 total with shipping included still a fair replacement.
=>> >
=>> > - $40 for shipping a camshaft to the USA is correct.
=>> >   Packets start here with $35 from 0-1 kg weight, then $40 and so
=>> > on...
=>> >   I shipped a camshaft ( intake ;-)) to Nightshadow a few months ago,
=>> >   and I can confirm the $40 for s/h.
=>> >
=>> >
=>> > I know Steffen as a very reliable , helpful & friendly guy.
=>> > He never ripped me off with anything I bought from him or sold to
=>> > him.
=>> >
=>> >
=>> > have a nice weekend
=>> >
=>> > Dirk
=>> > CORRADO G60 www.Scirocco2.de/my_corrado_1.jpg
=>> > Scirocco 16V GT II '92 darkgreen-pearl  www.GT-2.de/GT2.htm
=>> > Scirocco 16V GTX "CABRIOLET" www.Scirocco2.de/hornstein.htm
=>> >
=>> > http://www.Scirocco2.de
=>> >
=>> >
=>> >
=>> >
=>> > ----- Original Message -----
=>> > From: "Victor Farren" <farrenator@yahoo.com>
=>> > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
=>> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:44 PM
=>> > Subject: ebay scam
=>> >
=>> >
=>> > anyone know who this clown is?  He is trying to sell a
=>> > 16v Euro 'exhaust' cam.  Talk about some bull$hit.
=>> >
=>> >
=>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1842783455
=>> >
=>> > This isn't the same clown who was ripping people off
=>> > about 6 months back is it?  Sorry, but I can't
=>> > remember his name, but he changed his email a couple
=>> > of times because someone on the list was tracking him
=>> > and giving him $hit for being a scam artist.  Some of
=>> > the listers who have been around a while might
=>> > remember.
=>> >
=>> > Victor
=>> >
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