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Well, the limits were fairly high for its day -- 0.80 on the skidpad was
quite commendable 20 years ago. Still, with the improvements in tire
technology over the last few decades though, that number is much
higher. On stock suspension with all-seasons on it, my 16V pulled 0.84g
around the skidpad. (Okay, doing circles in a parking lot).
With 195/50-15 RE-71s, Koni adjustables and H&R Lowering springs, I see
sustained G-Forces of 0.95g now. That's an incredible number.
As Dan said, most of it has to do with suspension design. The Scirocco is
also a very light car and has a low center of gravity, which help. You can
see the difference the center of gravity makes by comparing the handling of
a Rabbit to that of a Scirocco. But suspension design wins in the long
run; the A2 Jetta GLi, despite it being heavier and having a much higher
center of gravity than the Scirocco, pulled 0.84g when new and beat the 16V
Scirocco in the slalom by more than 2mph.
Jason
At 06:48 PM 1/12/2002, Dan Bubb wrote:
>First of all the drive wheels are on the heavy end so you don't have to
>worry about loosing traction like a big block Mustang with only 40% on the
>drive wheel end. This also allows the Scirocco to have relatively high
>rear roll stiffness that balances the handling without sacrificing traction.
>Second, the suspension is very linear (I'm not talking about the spring
>rates!) in that there are no sudden changes in camber or toe, so the car
>isn't darting off in odd directions as a result of sudden maneuvers or
>bumps. A bad example of this is early Honda Accords. The rear suspension
>had a lot of camber gain for a McPherson strut. If you let off the
>throttle in the middle of a turn the back end hiked up, the rear tires
>went to negative camber and rear traction was reduced resulting in much
>more trailing throttle oversteer than a Scirocco that essentially has NO
>camber change in the rear suspension.
>Third, the car has excellent control feedback. This allows you to get the
>most out of what the car has to offer.
>I'm not sure the Scirocco has really high limits, but you can sure use
>what it has!
>Dan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:Captnbr@aol.com>Captnbr@aol.com
>>To: <mailto:jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>jdbubb@ix.netcom.com ;
>><mailto:Scirocco-L@scirocco.org>Scirocco-L@scirocco.org
>>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:34 AM
>>Subject: Re: Front/rear weight %
>>
>>In a message dated 1/11/2002 7:30:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>><mailto:jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>jdbubb@ix.netcom.com writes:
>>
>>
>> >>>1982 63/37 w/AC
>>1986 64/36 w/AC>>>>
>>
>>
>>I used to think the rocco handled so well because of how close the ratio
>>is, but i guess i was wrong. Than what is it, that made the scirrocco
>>one of the better handling cars of that time period and even still today too.
>>Brian 86 16v
>>98 Jetta GLX Vr6
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Well, the limits were fairly high for its day -- 0.80 on the skidpad was
quite commendable 20 years ago. Still, with the improvements in
tire technology over the last few decades though, that number is much
higher. On stock suspension with all-seasons on it, my 16V pulled
0.84g around the skidpad. (Okay, doing circles in a parking
lot).<br><br>
With 195/50-15 RE-71s, Koni adjustables and H&R Lowering springs, I
see sustained G-Forces of 0.95g now. That's an incredible
number.<br><br>
As Dan said, most of it has to do with suspension design. The
Scirocco is also a very light car and has a low center of gravity, which
help. You can see the difference the center of gravity makes by
comparing the handling of a Rabbit to that of a Scirocco. But
suspension design wins in the long run; the A2 Jetta GLi, despite it
being heavier and having a much higher center of gravity than the
Scirocco, pulled 0.84g when new and beat the 16V Scirocco in the slalom
by more than 2mph.<br><br>
Jason<br><br>
<br><br>
At 06:48 PM 1/12/2002, Dan Bubb wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>First of
all the drive wheels are on the heavy end so you don't have to worry
about loosing traction like a big block Mustang with only 40% on the
drive wheel end. This also allows the Scirocco to have relatively high
rear roll stiffness that balances the handling without sacrificing
traction.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Second, the suspension is very linear (I'm not
talking about the spring rates!) in that there are no sudden changes in
camber or toe, so the car isn't darting off in odd directions as a result
of sudden maneuvers or bumps. A bad example of this is early Honda
Accords. The rear suspension had a lot of camber gain for a McPherson
strut. If you let off the throttle in the middle of a turn the back end
hiked up, the rear tires went to negative camber and rear traction was
reduced resulting in much more trailing throttle oversteer than a
Scirocco that essentially has NO camber change in the rear
suspension.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Third, the car has excellent control feedback.
This allow</font>s you to get the most out of what the car has to
offer.<br>
I'm not sure the Scirocco has really high limits, but you can sure use
what it has!<br>
Dan<br>
<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:Captnbr@aol.com">Captnbr@aol.com</a> <br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:jdbubb@ix.netcom.com">jdbubb@ix.netcom.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:Scirocco-L@scirocco.org">Scirocco-L@scirocco.org</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:34 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Front/rear weight %<br><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>In a message dated 1/11/2002 7:30:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, <a href="mailto:jdbubb@ix.netcom.com">jdbubb@ix.netcom.com</a> writes:<br><br>
<br>
>>>1982 63/37 w/AC<br>
1986 64/36 w/AC>>>><br><br>
<br>
I used to think the rocco handled so well because of how close the ratio is, but i guess i was wrong. Than what is it, that made the scirrocco one of the better handling cars of that time period and even still today too.<br>
Brian 86 16v<br>
98 Jetta GLX Vr6</font><font face="arial"> </font></blockquote></blockquote></html>
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