Twin engine project update #2 | questions/parts needed

[amalventano1@home.com (Allyn)]

Mark,
    I'm measuring frame points on both the rieger and the project. Ensuring
both are symetrical, and using the mean off of both cars (actual). Also
checking this against stock numbers. As for the suspension, i have
considered the backwards setup as well. Makes it wasier to opt for the extra
steering rack back there (easier to mount, possibility of all wheel
steering). As for the exact center thing, you must realize the rear of a
scirocco relies on a u-bar/trailing arm suspension for alignment. This setup
by definition has no caster/kingpin angle (simply doesnt exist). All you get
is toe/camber, preset by the bar (if its straight, that is, heh). If i went
with the original mount points, stock upper strut bearings wouldnt fit (hole
too small), as well as resulting caster and kingpin angles sucking big time
(both pretty much 0, since the rear shocks sit almost completely vertical).
The only way to change this is to either move the wheel positions
(impossible, due to the fact that the wheel has to be in the same place
relative to the body), or move the strut mount point. In this case, the
mount point has to move towards the centerline of the car (kingpin), as well
as towards the rear (caster).
Well, enough tech babbling for now, im off.
Thanks for the drooling. :)
Allyn

Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX (shell donor ready to rock, still
planning, rocco #7)
87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch,
driveshafts, wheels :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mardak" <maardak@yahoo.ca>
To: "Allyn" <amalventano1@home.com>; "scirocco list"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>; "Cheapass Ron Pieper" <rapieper@yahoo.com>; "Dirk
Schneider" <Dirk@Scirocco2.de>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Twin engine project update #2 | questions/parts needed


> I've been toying with idea of a twin engine Scirocco (MK1) for years, well
before I knew
> people were actually doing it to other cars...  The thought of an awesome
hp/weight
> ratio, plus all four wheels putting the power down, in our favourite VW,
makes me
> drool...
>
> When I found out about Ian Birch in the UK and his twin engined Golfs a
while ago, I was
> so stoked, I emailed him asking for any info that would help me build a
twin engined
> Scirocco.  Even though I assured him I was a backyard mechanic/hack, on
the other side of
> the world, who would not take away any potential business from him, he
never responded...
>  I didn't expect he would, but it didn't hurt to try I guess!
>
> Anways, his idea of basically mirroring the front end configuration in the
rear is pretty
> straightforward, and how I was imagining would be the easiest way to do
it.  The one
> thing I found interesting is that Ian swapped the rear (front)spindles so
the steering
> arm and rod were ahead of the wheel.  This was to reduce bump steer...
The use of cable
> shift trannys was something I hadn't thought of at the time either (I was
picturing this
> crazy maze of rods and linkages!)
>
> How are you going about the measurement process?  By the book (body point
measurements)
> or actual measurements?  Do the top centre points of the rear shock towers
happen to be
> the correct points for the conversion?  That would be sweet...  Anways,
sorry about the
> rambling post, good luck with your project!  I look forward to seeing it
some day.
>
> Mark.
>
>
> - Allyn <amalventano1@home.com> wrote:
> > Fellow Listers,
> >     The result of some extreme digging on my end arrived at my door
today.
> > July '82 issue of a german sport car magazine. See these scans (low
res -
> > modem friendly):
> > ftp://etka:etka@scirocco.dhs.org:69/twin.JPG
> > ftp://etka:etka@scirocco.dhs.org:69/twin-1.JPG
> > ftp://etka:etka@scirocco.dhs.org:69/twin-2.JPG
> > Those pics compose the future guts of my project.
> >
> > As for the outside (pics courtesy Eric Ellis):
> > ftp://etka:etka@scirocco.dhs.org:69/kamei-1.JPG
> > ftp://etka:etka@scirocco.dhs.org:69/kamei-2.JPG
> > That will be the look. Current plans are for black exterior.
> >
> > Needs:
> > - I'm in the hunt for someone to take high res photos of the hatch glass
> > 'scirocco'. May make myself/get made at sticker shop. If its a sticker
on
> > the inside, can someone pencil trace it with paper? (you know, that
shade
> > thing you did back in school to make pics of quarters on paper and
stuff).
> > - Also in hunt for high res photos of the gtx 'sticker' type badges.
Eric
> > Ellis is currently working on a font project where he may be able to
> > duplicate them at a sticker shop. I did my best to make that last photo
> > morphed into 2d for him, but higher res would definitely be welcome im
sure.
> > - Need rear hatch w/o wiper hole. (if get just glass, be sure to get
plastic
> > trim piece to cover lock hole).
> > - Unfortunately to be correct to the gtx, i need a mk2 mono-wiper. Any
of
> > these around?
> > **- Wheels - see below
> > Haves:
> > - Got kamei x1 kit
> > - Got euro bumpers/lights
> > **- Got a set of gtx-similar type wheels (the kind that are fully
painted
> > grey, anyone got the silver faced ones in those gtx pics? - could be
other
> > than black between the spokes). The set i have is PERFECT, but i want to
> > match that gtx look exactly, to the poilt where i'd give em up. (or
should i
> > get get em powder coated black???).
> >
> > As usual, thanks in advance for assistance/info.
> > Man on a mission,
> > Allyn
> >
> > Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
> > 87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
> > 86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX (shell donor ready to rock, still
plann
> > ing, rocco #7)
> > 87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original
clutch,
> > driveshafts, wheels :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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