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Subject: chassis re-enforcement v.101
From: rocco16v@netzero.net (L F)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 06:25:22 -0800
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Marc-
  I noticed the same thing when I installed the Neuspeed upper brace in =
my 16V.  So, I replaced the 6mm studs in the strut bearing housing with =
8mm items.  Not only do these 8mm studs fit the holes in the bar very =
snugly, they allow about twice the torque to be applied to the nuts. (as =
I recall the torque value on the stock studs is like 15ft/lbs... the 8mm =
can take, I believe, 34ft/lbs)
  Even with this modification, I could detect no change in the "feel" of =
the car after the installation.  This may be because the design of most =
upper bars cannot, by necessity, brace the towers against each other.  =
The upper strut bars are not straight and , therefore, can flex far too =
much themselves.
 My personal opinion is, still, that upper strut braces don't do much.  =
(personal opinion, guys, and we all got 'em, eh?)

Larry


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Marc Scirocco Qu=E9bec=20
  To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 7:12 PM
  Subject: RE: chassis re-enforcement v.101


  How steady, stable are strut tower bars?

  The strut tower mounts do not have really strong bolts, I know as I =
broke
  some while tightening them years ago. And a nospeed ST bar has =
mounting
  holes a bit bigger than the actual bolts. ok, manufacturing =
tolerance...

  But you can't really tighten them down, so they are bound to move a =
bit.

  I am sure that welding bars would really improve handling.

  mmm, maybe small inserts...

  Just a thought.

  Cheers.

  Marc
  '83 Scirocco
  '88 Scirocco Slegato

  -----Message d'origine-----
  De : scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
  [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]De la part de Shawn c Meze
  Envoy=E9 : 25 d=E9cembre, 2002 21:39
  =C0 : brett@netacc.net
  Cc : scirocco-l@scirocco.org
  Objet : Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101




  On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 18:09:37 -0500 Brett Van Sprewenburg
  <brett@netacc.net> writes:
  >  From my own experience, I would have to say that adding that upper
  > brace resulted in a suprising amount of front end twist reduction.


  If you dontthink the strut towers move, loosen the 2 nuts on one side =
and
  take acasual drive to the store. Now look at the chaffe marks on the
  towers. They do move alot actually which you dont really feel seat of =
the
  pants.


  Shawn M=E9ze
  86' Jetta GLi 8V   88' Corvette -AS- #30  2002 SDR Solo2 Champion
  Scirocco" 84' Scirocco 8V 82' Scirocco RIP 80' Scirocco S 79' "Project
  FSP
  The Fastest, Quickest, Cleanest and best looking Scirocco(s) in all of
  San Diego!
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Marc-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; I noticed the same thing when I =
installed=20
the Neuspeed upper brace in my 16V.&nbsp; So, I replaced the 6mm studs =
in the=20
strut bearing housing with 8mm items.&nbsp; Not only do these 8mm studs =
fit the=20
holes in the bar very snugly, they allow about twice the torque to be =
applied to=20
the nuts. (as I recall the torque value on the stock studs is like =
15ft/lbs...=20
the 8mm can take, I believe, 34ft/lbs)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; Even with this modification, I =
could detect=20
no change in the "feel" of the car after the installation.&nbsp; This =
may be=20
because the design of most upper bars cannot, by necessity, brace the =
towers=20
against each other.&nbsp; The upper strut bars are not straight and , =
therefore,=20
can flex far too much themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;My personal opinion is, still, =
that upper=20
strut braces don't do much.&nbsp; (personal opinion, guys, and we all =
got 'em,=20
eh?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca"=20
  title=3Dmarc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>Marc Scirocco Qu=E9bec</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
  title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 25, =
2002 7:12=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: chassis =
re-enforcement=20
  v.101</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>How steady, stable are strut tower bars?<BR><BR>The =
strut tower=20
  mounts do not have really strong bolts, I know as I broke<BR>some =
while=20
  tightening them years ago. And a nospeed ST bar has mounting<BR>holes =
a bit=20
  bigger than the actual bolts. ok, manufacturing =
tolerance...<BR><BR>But you=20
  can't really tighten them down, so they are bound to move a =
bit.<BR><BR>I am=20
  sure that welding bars would really improve handling.<BR><BR>mmm, =
maybe small=20
  inserts...<BR><BR>Just a thought.<BR><BR>Cheers.<BR><BR>Marc<BR>'83=20
  Scirocco<BR>'88 Scirocco Slegato<BR><BR>-----Message =
d'origine-----<BR>De : <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.o=
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  =
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  la part de Shawn c Meze<BR>Envoy=E9 : 25 d=E9cembre, 2002 21:39<BR>=C0 =
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  Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>On Wed, 25 Dec =
2002=20
  18:09:37 -0500 Brett Van Sprewenburg<BR>&lt;<A=20
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writes:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  From my own experience, I would have to say that adding that =
upper<BR>&gt;=20
  brace resulted in a suprising amount of front end twist=20
  reduction.<BR><BR><BR>If you dontthink the strut towers move, loosen =
the 2=20
  nuts on one side and<BR>take acasual drive to the store. Now look at =
the=20
  chaffe marks on the<BR>towers. They do move alot actually which you =
dont=20
  really feel seat of the<BR>pants.<BR><BR><BR>Shawn M=E9ze<BR>86' Jetta =
GLi=20
  8V&nbsp;&nbsp; 88' Corvette -AS- #30&nbsp; 2002 SDR Solo2=20
  Champion<BR>Scirocco" 84' Scirocco 8V 82' Scirocco RIP 80' Scirocco S =
79'=20
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