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I'm not so sure strut towers (ST) are problematic. I think ST braces =
are popular because they are relatively inexpensive, very easy to =
install, and have a certain visual impact. Yes, STs sometimes exhibit =
evidence of movement. (the key word is sometimes) But, if the truth be =
known, if every ST brace were to vaporize, no one would probably notice =
a great deal of difference, unless the STs were already loose. In which =
case they should get out the welder and FIX the problem.
My $.02, which is probably worth considerably less than that to certain =
individuals.....:)
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Josh20V=20
To: Scott F. Williams ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
strut towers would seem to be a known weak area. and a normal bar will =
is
not an option.
Josh Able
www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods
the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!
KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@comcast.net>
To: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: chassis re-enforcement v.101
> Josh, where do you suppose the chassis will crack, anyway. We all =
know
that
> the rad support is suspect, but the firewall? I can't see that =
breaking
from
> engine torque. Why not simply seam weld around all the engine mounts =
and
> other body seams if you can? The Warpig landed jumps for five =
straight
years
> before any significant cracking ensued. That was impact damage and =
not due
> to the engine, but I think you might be okay. Seam welding seems =
lots more
> practical for what you're doing.
>
> P.S. What engine mounts are you running? Also, I think driving =
technique
> will be critically important. Dragracing is far different than =
roadracing
is
> different than street driving, is different than... etc.
> --
> Scott F. Williams
> NJ Scirocco nut
> '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Josh20V
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:02 AM
> > To: Michael Abatzis; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
> >
> >
> > though I would be strapped in well, so I don't foresee flying =
around. :P
> >
> > but with about 300whp and 260 ft/tq, I know the engine will break =
lose
at
> > some point, Im on barrowed time as of now.
> >
> > Josh Able
> > www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
> > Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods
> > the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!
> > KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
> > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
> >
> >
> > > what i was saying is that you're potentially *disabling* a =
pretty
> > important
> > > protection mechanism in the car. better your head attached to =
your
body
> > > than engine to car body.
> > >
> > > -Michael Abatzis
> > > Hotlanta! GA
> > > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but not
> > taking orders
> > > yet: www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
> > > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>
> > > >
> > > >this isnt for protection, it is for re-enforcement to keep the =
engine
> > > >connected to the rest of the car.
> > > >
> > > >Josh Able
> > > >www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
> > > >Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods
> > > >the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!
> > > >KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > >Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:23 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > haven't ever seen this addressed, but what are you doing to
> > the crush
> > > >area
> > > > > when you reinforce the engine bay like that? one of the only =
(and
> > best,
> > > > > imho) safety features on these cars is the crushability of =
the
front
> > and
> > > > > rear. i'm thinking a tubular reinforcement would do away =
with
that,
> > and
> > > > > turn these cars into even more of a death trap than they =
already
> > > >are...$0.02
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Michael Abatzis
> > > > > Hotlanta! GA
> > > > > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but not
taking
> > > >orders
> > > > > yet: www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
> > > > > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not so sure strut towers (ST) are=20
problematic. I think ST braces are popular because they are=20
relatively inexpensive, very easy to install, and have a certain visual =
impact.=20
Yes, STs sometimes exhibit evidence of movement. (the key word is=20
sometimes) But, if the truth be known, if every ST brace were to =
vaporize, no=20
one would probably notice a great deal of difference, unless the STs =
were=20
already loose. In which case they should get out the welder and =
FIX the=20
problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My $.02, which is probably worth =
considerably less=20
than that to certain individuals.....:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:mkii@nycap.rr.com"; =
title=3Dmkii@nycap.rr.com>Josh20V</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net"; =
title=3Dsfwilliams@comcast.net>Scott F.=20
Williams</A> ; <A href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 24, =
2002 11:16=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: chassis =
re-enforcement=20
v.101</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>strut towers would seem to be a known weak area. and a =
normal=20
bar will is<BR>not an option.<BR><BR>Josh Able<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.JsHouseOfEuro.com";>www.JsHouseOfEuro.com</A><BR>Carbon=
Fiber=20
& Fiberglass fenders and hoods<BR>the RSD line is=20
HERE!!!!!!!<BR>KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein<BR>----- Original Message=20
-----<BR>From: "Scott F. Williams" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net";>sfwilliams@comcast.net</A>><BR>=
To:=20
"Josh20V" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:mkii@nycap.rr.com";>mkii@nycap.rr.com</A>>;=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>><B=
R>Sent:=20
Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:31 AM<BR>Subject: RE: chassis =
re-enforcement=20
v.101<BR><BR><BR>> Josh, where do you suppose the chassis will =
crack,=20
anyway. We all know<BR>that<BR>> the rad support is suspect, but =
the=20
firewall? I can't see that breaking<BR>from<BR>> engine torque. Why =
not=20
simply seam weld around all the engine mounts and<BR>> other body =
seams if=20
you can? The Warpig landed jumps for five straight<BR>years<BR>> =
before any=20
significant cracking ensued. That was impact damage and not =
due<BR>> to the=20
engine, but I think you might be okay. Seam welding seems lots =
more<BR>>=20
practical for what you're doing.<BR>><BR>> P.S. What engine =
mounts are=20
you running? Also, I think driving technique<BR>> will be =
critically=20
important. Dragracing is far different than roadracing<BR>is<BR>> =
different=20
than street driving, is different than... etc.<BR>> --<BR>> =
Scott F.=20
Williams<BR>> NJ Scirocco nut<BR>> '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 =
RS<BR>>=20
Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle<BR>> Golf GTI 16v=20
"rollycar"<BR>> ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers =
wanted."<BR>><BR>>=20
> -----Original Message-----<BR>> > From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.o=
rg</A><BR>>=20
> [<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
Behalf Of Josh20V<BR>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:02=20
AM<BR>> > To: Michael Abatzis; <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t; >=20
Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101<BR>> ><BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> though I would be strapped in well, so I don't foresee flying =
around.=20
:P<BR>> ><BR>> > but with about 300whp and 260 ft/tq, I =
know the=20
engine will break lose<BR>at<BR>> > some point, Im on barrowed =
time as=20
of now.<BR>> ><BR>> > Josh Able<BR>> > <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.JsHouseOfEuro.com";>www.JsHouseOfEuro.com</A><BR>> =
>=20
Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods<BR>> > the RSD =
line is=20
HERE!!!!!!!<BR>> > KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein<BR>> > ----- =
Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Michael Abatzis" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:abatzis2@hotmail.com";>abatzis2@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>=
>=20
To: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>><B=
R>>=20
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:42 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: =
chassis=20
re-enforcement v.101<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > what =
i was=20
saying is that you're potentially *disabling* a pretty<BR>> >=20
important<BR>> > > protection mechanism in the car. =
better your=20
head attached to your<BR>body<BR>> > > than engine to car=20
body.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > -Michael Abatzis<BR>> =
> >=20
Hotlanta! GA<BR>> > > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, =
prelim=20
web site, but not<BR>> > taking orders<BR>> > > yet: <A =
=
href=3D"http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html";>www.lea=
rnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html</A><BR>>=20
> > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
><BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > >From: "Josh20V" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:mkii@nycap.rr.com";>mkii@nycap.rr.com</A>><BR>> =
> >=20
><BR>> > > >this isnt for protection, it is for =
re-enforcement=20
to keep the engine<BR>> > > >connected to the rest of the=20
car.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > >Josh Able<BR>> =
> >=20
><A =
href=3D"http://www.JsHouseOfEuro.com";>www.JsHouseOfEuro.com</A><BR>>=20
> > >Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods<BR>> =
>=20
> >the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!<BR>> > >=20
>KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein<BR>> > > >----- Original =
Message=20
-----<BR>> > > >From: "Michael Abatzis" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:abatzis2@hotmail.com";>abatzis2@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>=
>=20
> >To: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>><B=
R>>=20
> > >Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:23 PM<BR>> > =
>=20
>Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101<BR>> > > =
><BR>>=20
> > ><BR>> > > > > haven't ever seen this =
addressed,=20
but what are you doing to<BR>> > the crush<BR>> > >=20
>area<BR>> > > > > when you reinforce the engine bay =
like=20
that? one of the only (and<BR>> > best,<BR>> > > > =
>=20
imho) safety features on these cars is the crushability of=20
the<BR>front<BR>> > and<BR>> > > > > rear. =
i'm=20
thinking a tubular reinforcement would do away with<BR>that,<BR>> =
>=20
and<BR>> > > > > turn these cars into even more of a =
death trap=20
than they already<BR>> > > >are...$0.02<BR>> > > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > -Michael=20
Abatzis<BR>> > > > > Hotlanta! GA<BR>> > > =
> >=20
1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but=20
not<BR>taking<BR>> > > >orders<BR>> > > > > =
yet: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html";>www.lea=
rnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html</A><BR>>=20
> > > > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...<BR>> > > >=20
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