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Re: sudden car death (fuel pump dead?)

To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: sudden car death (fuel pump dead?)
From: Geordy Rostad <grostad@thresholdnetworks.com>
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:57:15 -0700
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It says it has about 1/3rd tank...

Trust me, it didn't run out of gas, it would've sputtered to a halt, it 
did no sputtering
was just and instant lost of power, like motor wasn't even there anymore...

Chris DeLong wrote:

>> 
>> I have my fuel filter out, how safe/effective is it to test the fuel
>> pump by jumping the relay terminals?  The fuel pump won't spark
>> and ignite my whole car or something will it?
> 
> 
> No. Just dont have a cigarette or propane torch nearby.
> 
> BTW how much gas is in your car?
> 
> 
>> 
>> I jumped the pump while it was in and the thing doesn't quite
>> sound up to par, it's more of a "mmuuuurrrr" sound than the usual
>> "whhhhizzzzzz" that I'm used to.  (Were those good text-based
>> sound effects or what?)  Could this be a problem?  I could see
>> a bump in the road making the fuel pump fail but would it still
>> sound like it's running but still be dead?
>> 
>> Geordy Rostad wrote:
>> 
>>> Cheapass Ron wrote:
>>> 
>>>> NOw it's starting to sound like a fuel pump...but you
>>>> BTDT, right?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Welllll, not exactly, I turn the key, I hear the fuel pump.  Aside
>>> from that,
>>> I crank the motor and I think I still here the fuel pump.  What is the
>>> easy way
>>> to check and see if I have actual flow?
>>> 
>>>> Can you set it to TDC and see where the
>>>> cam mark lines up?  That'll tell you whether your cam
>>>> timing is off.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You mean the mark on the timing belt gear on the cam?
>>> And see if what lines up?  Is there a mark under that
>>> inspection plug on the trans?
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ron
>>>> --- Geordy Rostad <grostad@thresholdnetworks.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone thing I may have a fuel problem?  I just
>>>>> replace my injector seals btw.
>>>>> Could it be a fuel filter?  Maybe I went over a bump
>>>>> and dislodged a grain of muck and clogged
>>>>> it?  Could the fuel pump shaft separate from the
>>>>> pump mechanism so that it sounds like
>>>>> it's spraying fuel but actually not...?   What is
>>>>> the easy method to check fuel flow?
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I put the new airboot on it almost started and
>>>>> then died so I don't think it's spark
>>>>> or timing.  It only does the almost start and then
>>>>> die thing after having sat for quite a
>>>>> while.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Geordy
>>>>> '88 jetta 16v
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> geordy wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I want to replace the t-belt anyways since I have
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> absolutely no idea
>>>>> 
>>>>>> how long it has been on there.
>>>>>> BTW, It died when I hit a bump in the road, my
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> scirocco did the same
>>>>> 
>>>>>> thing to my brother one
>>>>>> time, he hit a bump (or jump) in the road and
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> threw the timing off and
>>>>> 
>>>>>> it ran shitty all the way home.
>>>>>> Mine just died, I wonder what's up...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I put the airbox/intake stuff back together and
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> the car still wouldn't
>>>>> 
>>>>>> start.  I left all of the other
>>>>>> belts off however...  I wouldn't think that would
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> be a problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 16v Jason wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Doesn't have to be that huge!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you were able to see daylight in there, you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> have about 0 chance
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> that the car will run.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's your problem from the sound of it.  Try to
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> start the car with
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> a new one on there before you kill yourself
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> checking the timing belt.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And why you going through so much trouble to
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> check the belt this
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> way?  Couldn't you just have taken the upper
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> cover off without doing
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> all that other shit?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At 01:17 AM 5/9/01 , Geordy Rostad wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It's not THAT large, but when I removed the pipe
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> between the two
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> boots I saw
>>>>>>>> daylight...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Brett Van Sprewenburg wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Also, I have noticed a big tear in the
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> throttle body air boot.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Just so I can be the first.... :)
>>>>>>>>> But this is probably the reason your car won't
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> run, or start, or
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> what-ever...
>>>>>>>>> Any tear in the boot is likely to cause running
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> problems, a large
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> one will cause the car not to run at
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> all...probably got your culprit
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>> ==Brett
>>>>>>>>> \/  '84 Scirocco (ITB racer 2B) | "Hot VW's,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> take two home. They're
>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> brett@netacc.net
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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