Re: scirocco.org club, list etiquette, etc

[mike <rept@qwest.net>]

Ongoing costs could be fullfilled via club
merchandise  sales.  But there will be a need for
some startup capital beyond servers and programs.

Neal Tovsen wrote:
> 
> The hardware/software issue is the only serious justification I've heard for
> why s.org needs to become better organized. I think it could be handled by
> club dues, but I think there are other options, too.
> 
> What if we came up with a budget for the new infrastructure including both
> intial investment and on-going costs? That would give us an idea for what we
> need.
> 
> I don't have any ideas to handle the on-going costs (sponsorship, maybe?),
> but I bet if we took a one-time voluntary collection we could come up with
> some hardware money. I know it has worked for other groups. I also know that
> VALinux has sponsored other auto enthusiast web sites, but I don't know the
> details. I could find out...
> 
> I'd like to participate in continued discussion if it is taken off-list.
> 
> Neal
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Brett Van Sprewenburg
> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:52 PM
> > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Cc: csmende@neubayern.net
> > Subject: scirocco.org club, list etiquette, etc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I've read with great interest the support for taking our club to higher
> > levels.  I've been interested in this myself for many years, and I do
> > what I can with the time I have.  In case some of you don't know, I
> > maintain the scirocco.org website to the best of my abilities.  Chris
> > has done us a great favor for years by hosting the mailing list, and we
> > all really appreciate his efforts.  I have been hoping to improve the
> > online presence of our club by doing a couple of things.  One, is
> > getting scirocco.org off the privateI machines so that we can do
> > what we want with the site.  They don't allow me to access the cgi-bin
> > directory, which extremely limits the kind of improvements I can
> > make...like I am unable to fix the search mechanism.  The site is
> > space limited, and I am unable to finish putting up the archives that
> > I have access to.  Finally, while Chris Mende has kindly hosted our
> > list, and put up with all of the issues that goes with hosting this
> > mailing list, he is no longer an active member / subscriber.  This is not
> > meant as blame or anything like this, it's just that the person
> > that admins the list probably really needs to be an active member, and
> > can see problems like a Mike Weiler, and the Jonas typing threads coming
> > and put them down before they get out of control.  I have sat on
> > my hands during many of these issues for several reasons...they
> > always go away.  Always.  Second, I didn't have control of the mailing
> > list and couldn't make people sit in the corner for a few days...
> > figuratively of course.
> >
> > Chris, I used to have access to neubayern.net, but I don't think I do
> > anymore...not that it would have ever seemed alright to mess with
> > your machines or configurations as we never officially outlined what
> > I would be allowed to do...
> >
> > So, to solve the above problems, I've been working on a solution. On a
> > small personal budget, I have secured a decent bit of hardware and
> > bandwidth.  This is for moving the web site and the mailing list back
> > onto the same machine, and under the relatively steady control of
> > myself.  I still need a couple of things to make it all happen,
> > but I am working on it.  (As a quick aside, please don't suggest
> > using a freebie email list system, I'm not a fan for a variety of
> > reasons.  I've been a Unix professional and software engineer for a fair
> > number of years, and I work developing architecture and server side
> > applications at Kodak.com. I know a little bit on How Stuff Works. :))
> >
> > It is important to note that some of the solutions that I'm having
> > to come up with are limited due to the fact that I am putting my
> > own money into securing the machine, routers, bandwidth, and drives.
> > So, the concept of a member supported infrastructure really intrigues
> > me...as I could be online far more quickly with a better service if I
> > had a budget to work with...we should talk more about this.  Fixed IP
> > is really where it's at, but it's expensive, for instance.
> > We could take this offline if someone would like...
> >
> > Also, as for some of the other advantages of being more club-like, we
> > already have...I think as some others have pointed out.  We get
> > discounts are a variety of venders.  Both Mike and Mark get a lot of
> > business from us, and cut us a bit of break...but their margins are
> > the best in the business already so they can't afford to cut us
> > much more.  Just yesterday, I was asked by Adrenaline Motorsports
> > to post a link to their site, and they would offer all the members
> > of scirocco.org 10% off.  So I happily added the link, and now I'm
> > telling you all.  Oh, those are the guys that had the Mk1 Scirocco
> > 1.8t and Corrado 1.8t at Waterfest 2k.
> >
> > Feedback is welcome as always...but not if want to discuss if you
> > should put the lock rings on 100mm inner CV joints attached to 90mm
> > axles. :-)!!!!  I'm still smarting from that one...ha!
> >
> > Basically I have a great interest in seeing a high quality online
> > scirocco community, and will do what I can to make it happen.
> >
> > later gang.
> >
> > ==Brett
> >  \/  '84 Scirocco (ITB racer 2B) | "Hot VW's, take two home.
> > They're small"
> > \/\/ '88 Scirocco 16v (Show), '92 Passat 16v (Winter+) | -
> > brett@netacc.net
> >
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