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Fw: How to fix car? Can't find a 16V Fuel Distributor
Well, instead of a fuel distributor, you have injectors which open when
they are provided with 12V. They are provided with fuel by means of a fuel
rail, and since no 16V came with one, you'd need to find one of these in
the aftermarket, Ross machine, or USRT, that sort of thing. (8V'ers have a
few junkyard choices, Digi or ABA will work, for example) But that rail
just gets a fuel line plumbed in and out, and this dispenses with the CIS
individual fuel lines and distributor. (any EFI setup would likely do the
same) You'd need to cook up an airbox replacement, fuel line splices, and
perhaps a new mounting location for the fuel filter. Injector inserts have
a reputation for not always pulling out all that well.
Wiring and such: Since I wanted to get my car going well ahead of Cincy,
(yeah, like 20 days ahead of Cincy as it turns out, LOL) I had my unit
prebuilt by Dan in the fall. Poor Dan, he didn't know what he was in
for...anyway, some people don't like the relay board for whatever reason,
Dan built me one of those too. I'm not typically soldering up circuit
boards and am glad I got it all pre-assembled (there are companies that do
this as well). You don't "need" the relay board, but it makes wiring so
much easier and has the fuses and so on all in one place. Your fuel and
igntion circuits all run off this board, which is powered right from the
battery (or through the igniton switch). This bypasses all the old VW
fuseblock issues for your critical running systems, another huge bonus in
my book. There is a bit of wiring to do, so if you don't make good splices,
it could cause you some grief.
There's one more thing, the helplessness factor. If you go this way, you
are really realiant on those who know MS to figure out what's up when the
car won't run. At least I was, but I'm pretty computer handicapped. There
are a lot of settings, and one wrong one will make your car run like total
ass. OTOH, there are a lot of people using this setup, it works for pretty
well anything that burns fuel. But the local VW shop may not be so helpful,
though trouble shooting basics don't change that much. I've had a
tumultuous startup, (again, I can hear Drew and Dan laughing their asses
off) Anyway, not for the faint of heart, but not impossible either.
The good thing is that you are replacing the hard to get/aging CIS-E parts
with stuff that you can order new any day of the week. For fuel and spark?
I kind of prefer new. And if I want to go back to the tuning settings I had
three weeks ago? I just load up that file. And there's tons of feedback on
everything the car is doing.
CIS-E: Now on to the original question, how hard is the distributor to
swap? You need a few wrenches, and get some of those copper washers, just
replace them all. And some masking tape/a digital camera to record which
line goes where. They look pretty well the same once they're off. You said
you're outside, you'll want to be, it'll smell like gas, but it's not that
tough. Be mindful of the torque specs on those banjo bolts. So dive in and
do that, it's easier to do MS with a car that runs anyway should you choose
to do that, plus you can drive the car while you're mucking around. And it
sounds like selling off a working CIS-E dizzy won't be too hard either, so
getting one at this point isn't a waste even if you do go MS at some point.
And one more word of advice? If it's not better with the "new" dizzy? (did
you do a flow test to verify that it's not metering evenly?) it may be that
the second distributor is no better than the first. I went through a lot of
misery after swapping mine, only to finally flow test it and find that the
second one was starving one cylinder by 25%. ANyway, coffee's going, and I
have a green guy to go see.
Cathy
IOn 12:07 am 05/13/07 "David Brown" <sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Brown" <sharpshooter33@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Kevin Brosha" <kjbrosha@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 12:07 AM
> Subject: Re: How to fix car? Can't find a 16V Fuel Distributor
>
>
> > Collect the parts:
> > WBO2 optional, but REALLY nice for tuning (as Cathy
> > said)$250-$300(with gauge)
> > Injector inserts from a digifant or Corrado G60 (cheap dealer item)
> > Injectors (cheaper if used, but you get what u paid for)new $160
> > or so Fuel Rail $200 (new)
> > Fuel pressure regulator Used $10 or so. New $50-95
> > Megasquirt I PCB 3.0 recommended (assemble yourself great
> > knowledge)$250 with Stimulator
> > Coolant Tempreture sensor $20
> > Air intake Tempreture sensor$20
> > Throttle Position Sensor TPS(they say it now required, but I think
> > it is) Used 90's Passat Automatic Tranny is good $40-$80
> > Wiring harness (make your own)
> > Couple of Bosch Relays
> >
> > There may be more. that's what a remember off the top of my head.
> > Anyway it can be done in phases.
> > 1. WBO2 and gauge install
> > 2. Assemble MS if you choose to assemble
> > 3. Install the sensors
> > 3. Install MS Hook it up to ICU(get tach signal)(sensor
> > inputs)check that fuel injectors are working
> > 4. Install fuel injector inserts, install fuel injectors and rail
> > start car and start tuning (hopefully) 8-)
> >
> > If your car is already down. You can do everthing on your time.
> > Everything fits under the hood and in the interrior so if it
> > rains, shut the hood and roll up the windows and finish it on
> > another day.
> > MY $.02
> >
> > Chime in here guys
> > David
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Brosha" <kjbrosha@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <roccit_53@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 10:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: How to fix car? Can't find a 16V Fuel Distributor
> >
> >
> >> Hmm, I _do_ have a lot of time on my hands for the summer. MS .
> >> . . I've just skimmed bits about that online, seems like quite a
> >> challenge - now that would be a project. I was considering
> >> hitting the cost of something a little easier to do on the credit
> >> card, but even attempting to try a do it yourself thing like that
> >> would teach me a lot to do.
> >>
> >> Assuming I'm starting from zero knowledge, is megasquirt possible
> >> to do in a summer? I could probably put a few hours a week on
> >> it. Also, I have no covered place to work, so anything that
> >> could be ruined by a bit of rain wouldn't work.
> >>
> >> So how does this work without the fuel distributor? What is done
> >> differently?
> >>
> >> On 5/12/07, C Boyko <roccit_53@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> And what of Megasquirt? Either you could go that way (yeah, Ms.
> >>> Brave making suggestions here eh?) or find someone who has
> >>> removed the CIS-E distributor to do their conversion, it comes
> >>> right out on MS'd cars. Cathy
> >>>
> >>> On 8:24 pm 05/12/07 Nate Mellom <doubt@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> > Kevin,
> >>> > There's an unmolested distributor (mixture adjustment plug is
> >>> > still intact) in a very nice 16v in a local yard here in
> >>> > Wisconsin. Not sure how much they'd want for it, but I can
> >>> > check if you're interested. Let me know, I might be able to
> >>> > run up next weekend and get it.
> >>> >
> >>> > Nate
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Kevin Brosha wrote:
> >>> > > Ok, seems this isn't going to work. 16v Scirocco parts are
> >>> > > hard to find, and this part especially so, since it's
> >>> > > different in the scirocco compared with the other 16v's
> >>> > > (the mechanic said it had 3 prongs on it, whatever that
> >>> > > means).
> >>> > > Is there any other way of getting the 16v scirocco fixed,
> >>> > > asssuming only that I know (or was told by the mechanic)
> >>> > > that the problem has something to do with the fuel
> >>> > > distributor? Maybe something that isn't as easy as
> >>> > > swapping a part, if finding the part isn't an option?
> >>> > > Just a shot in the dark here . . . anything I could do that
> >>> > > would do away with the original fuel distributor? I'm
> >>> > > ignorant about SEM - does this require the original fuel
> >>> > > distributor? I'm not very knowledgeable about cars, at
> >>> > > least I wasn't prior to getting this thing . . . the
> >>> > > hundreds of hours I've spent reading about scirocco's
> >>> > > certainly has taught me a few things, but it's all random
> >>> > > bits of knowledge.. . and I don't know what most of the
> >>> > > stuff I read means. I have to get this beast going, it's
> >>> > > got sentimental value to my dad, and hence to me. What can
> >>> > > I do?
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On 5/7/07, Kevin Brosha <kjbrosha@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> > >> Hello hello . . .
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I had asked whether anyone on the list had a fuel
> >>> > >> distributor back around Christmas, so I could get my red
> >>> > >> beast back to life. Had a few replies, but unfortunately,
> >>> > >> time and money wouldn't let me get the car fixed at the
> >>> > >> time. School keeps me busy . . . after 7 years as an
> >>> > >> undergrad, I should finish sometime soon, eh?
> >>> > >> To get to the point, I need a dizzy! If someone has a
> >>> > >> tested working fuel distributor (incl. the pump, I
> >>> > >> _think_, the mechanic wasn't too sure), and can ship it to
> >>> > >> me in nova scotia, I can pay around 200 C$ for it. Saw a
> >>> > >> couple go on ebay, one I lost the auction at $60, and one
> >>> > >> I lost at $105 . . . so I figure this is fair? Correct me
> >>> > >> if wrong!
> >>> > >> Help revive my monstrosity!
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >
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