OT Now: [OT] Iraq

[jlagnese at massed.net (jlagnese@xxxxxxxxxx)]

Machiavelli wrote "The Prince" several hundred years ago. In a nutshell, he explained that ruling with an iron fist was most effective. This was not intended to be an insult, just an observation.
John

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>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:36:01 -0700
>From: "Chris Bennett" <scirocco16vr32@xxxxxxxxx>  
>Subject: Re: OT Now: [OT] Iraq  
>To: "jlagnese@xxxxxxxxxx" <jlagnese@xxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: Allyn <amalventano1@xxxxxxx>, scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>"Getting a bit Machiavellian, aren't you?
>John"
>
>Not sure what you were getting at here, so I looked up the term.
>"Machiavellianism is primarily the term some social and personality
>psychologists use to describe a person's tendency to deceive and
>manipulate others for personal gain."
>
>AND.... "his name would be synonymous with deviousness, cruelty, and
>willfully destructive rationality; no thinker was every so demonized
>or misunderstood than Machiavelli."
>
>Please restate that in terms of two syllables or less, please for
>those of us with substandard educations.  I don't think you were
>insulting me but I was wrong once.
>
>Chris
>
>
>>
>>Scirocco content... MY car is still in pieces.  I ordered the part from
>>snapon (detachable penis) 12 days ago and my card only was charged
>>yesterday.  Guess I shouldn't have picked UPS Ground.  ruck me funnin'
>>
>>
>>On 7/17/07, Allyn <amalventano1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> >   we don't wanna talk about it.  I'm certainly no rabid lefty
>>> > but I do wonder what you all think.  And even when it's dead
>>> > and someone has to struggle to come up with scirocco content
>>> > we still can't discuss it.
>>> > Because it's too contentious.
>>>
>>> OK,
>>>
>>> Point being, we've been around the political block way too many times to
>>> count, and each and every time it only serves to decrease
>>> the signal to noise ratio of this list while simultaneously pissing nearly
>>> everybody off.  *THAT* is why we avoid it on this list.
>>> There are *OTHER FORUMS* to voice our repsective political opinions and/or
>>> frustrations.
>>>
>>> Shit.  I've spent the last 2 years fighting for my career in the Navy -
>>> just so I can continue contributing to my country in some
>>> meaningful or productive fashion.  I have thousands of pages of
>>> documentation, hundreds of sleepless nights, dozens of congressional
>>> inquiries, and a whole shit ton of pissed off friends and family.  It has
>>> literally consumed me for the better part of 2 years.
>>> I've halted work on the Twin and neglected the Rieger and the rest of the
>>> herd, but if you check the archives, you'll find that I
>>> have only vaguely mentioned any of it here (the above is the most detail
>>> I've ever provided on-list).  Why so vague on something so
>>> important to me and to the Naval justice system as a
>>> whole?  Simple:  THERE IS NO PLACE FOR IT ON THIS LIST.  I read this list to
>>> learn about and assist others with their own Sciroccos.  I DO NOT want to
>>> have to sift through political / beaurocratic bullshit.  I
>>> deal with it enough at work.
>>>
>>> That said - I have no opposition to the occasional off-topic postings that
>>> occur from time to time.  They spice things up a bit.
>>> It's really like we are all family and are just telling eachother about
>>> the cool thing we saw online somewhere.  Those discussions
>>> are light hearted and usually downright funny.  Political discussions ARE
>>> NOT.  Would you keep talking about someones funeral or
>>> some other disturbing topic?  Of all the places to do it - would you keep
>>> bringing it up on a mailing list for working on 20 year
>>> old cars?  Of course not.  It just doesn't belong here.
>>>
>>> Opinions wanted?  Wish granted.
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
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