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New R32 vs. A3 S-line

Ditto.  I just like rowing my own gears.  How much fun is it to dive a car that rev-matches automatically?  No heel-toe shifting....  Can you kick-start a DSG if your battery is dead?  How much weight does the DSG add?  The DSG is a great replacement for an automatic transmission, but I still want a traditional manual.

Also, the Mk4 R32 was faster, right?

Brendan
84 Scirocco 8v
01 Jeep TJ 4.0


----- Original Message ----
From: Adam Carroll <vr612valve@yahoo.com>
To: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 1:34:46 PM
Subject: Re: New R32 vs. A3 S-line

   Well I guess, for me, it all boils down to personal preference. I have heard nothing but excellent things about the DSG that is equipped on the 3.2's and 2.0t's. It even has a launch control setting. wow. I must be old fashioned. I'm just not always looking for that perfect 0-60, or quarter mile, or even an aggressive apex exit whilst sipping my starbucks and texting my girlfriend at the same time. I love using my left foot during driving, and not just for both-feet braking. The clutch pedal is just too much fun, and yes I'm sure the paddle shifting on the DSG is incredible fun...but I just don't think it would have the lasting funfactor replay value that the traditional manual has always delivered. IMO of course. I guess I'm a creature of habit in this area.  
   
  -aDam

Dan Bubb <jdbubb@verizon.net> wrote:
  Why would anybody want a conventional manual as opposed to the DSG?
It'll shift automatically if you want to ignore it, shift manually if you want to do that and although the twin clutches are wet and hydraulically actuated, other than that it doesn't have the power losses of a traditional automatic since it has no torque converter nor the typical planetary gear set with their associated bands or clutches.
It shifts gears in 8ms vs. the 500ms that a typical human can manage.
What's wrong with that?
Dan 

From: "Adam Carroll" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: New R32 vs. A3 S-line


> The Audi is nearly a half a second faster than the R32, so they say, and it is a mere grand more expensive (based) so these guys say. There is also rumor that the DSG is the only available transmission for the R32. WEAK! No manual in a $33k Golf?!?!?!? Even though the MkV (2.0T) is the best GTI since the MkII, (Automobile Mag: Car of the Year) they had better release the manual to make the volks happy. Here are some stats: 
> 
> -Audi- 
> 
> The highly acclaimed 2006 Audi A3 line-up will receive a formidable addition in mid-November: the A3 3.2 quattro? S-line. Audi's premium compact will now have even more sporting pretensions with a high-power V6 engine, quattro all-wheel drive, and aggressive exterior styling. The 2006 A3 3.2 quattro S-line will be available at a base price of $33,980 ($44,990 in Canada). A destination charge of $720 is not included in the base price. 
> 
> 
> The heart of the new A3 3.2 quattro S-line is the narrow-angle 3.2L V6 engine producing 250 hp at 6300 rpm and 236 ft.-lbs. of torque from 2800-3200 rpm. A 6-speed Direct-Shift Gearbox transmission is standard, as is Audi's legendary quattro all-wheel drive. This drivetrain propels the A3 3.2 quattro S-line from 0-60 mph in 5.9 seconds, and through the quarter-mile in 14.4 seconds. 
> 
> -VW R-
> 
> 
> Volkswagen of America, Inc. today announced the return of its motorsports-inspired R32 at the Chicago Auto Show. First introduced in 2004 to an enthusiastic reception, the R32 delivers the ultimate in Volkswagen sports performance with dynamic handling and refined road manners. 
> 
> 
> 
> The R32's power comes from a 3.2 L naturally aspirated 15-degree narrow angle V6 engine. With 250 horsepower and 236 ft. lbs. of torque, the R32 is all muscle. The standard 4MOTION all-wheel-drive system transfers at least 75 percent of available torque to the rear wheels. Volkswagen's acclaimed DSG? transmission allows for seamless gear changes and accelerates from 0-60 in approximately 6.4 seconds. 
> 
> The quote about the 75% of the torque to the rear wheels is not accurate at all...
> 
> Nate Mellom wrote:
> It was unveiled in the US for the first time at the Chicago Auto Show.
> Of course, I was a week off, and missed it.
> But it was there.
> 
> 
> Chris Bennett wrote:
>> http://www.5000r32.com/?ic_id=promo_5000r32
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> Nate Mellom wrote: It was unveiled in the US for the first time at the Chicago Auto Show.
> Of course, I was a week off, and missed it.
> But it was there.
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