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Strut Time - suggestions? Koni vs Bilstien vs Bilstein
I echo Peter.
Bilstiens will absolutely transform your car's handling from Sachs/Boge etc. Even better with
something like Neuspeed Sport springs. It's fantastic - you will get a big ol' chubby. You will
become handsome, dashing, and intelligent. Women will notice you, and Hondas will flee your
presence.
JFDI baby.
Ron
--- Peter <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Honestly, I've had Bilstein Sports with Neuspeed Sport springs, and although
> it did lower the car, I don't have any bottoming-out issues. I think they
> are a perfect compromise for someone who likes spirited driving, but would
> like some reasonable amount of comfort for regular or long distance driving.
> I think it is the most excellent compromise.
>
> However, I might just go Weitec or H&R Coilovers next time...
>
> Joe
>
> Don't do it Joe!
>
> I have Bilsteins with Neuspeed Sport springs on all my VW cars (the VW
> Pickup has cut 16V Scirocco springs with Bilsteins), and they're perfect.
>
> What size anti-sway bars are you running? If they're stock, thicker
> after-market ones will increase the stiffness and improve the handling.
>
> Btw, Bilsteins and Neuspeed springs come with a lifetime warranty, that
> you'll probably never need.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Utley [mailto:fahrvergnugen@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:18 AM
> To: 'Cris Carpenter'; 'Dan Bubb'; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Strut Time - suggestions? Koni vs Bilstien vs Bilstein
>
> -Just- got done putting BIlstein Sports on the front of my Caddy. It raised
> the front. *grimace* And I -hate- the way it looks. What can one do?
> If
> they raise the height of the car, then lowering springs won't help, will it?
> What about using a pair of lowering spring caps? IIRC, there is but only
> one sort? (IOW, you can't get a pair with a monstrous drop, right?
>
> However, I should add that the way it drives is -superb-.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cris Carpenter [mailto:housecall55@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:53 PM
> To: Dan Bubb; scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Strut Time - suggestions? Koni vs Bilstien vs Bilstein
>
> Are you sure that Bilstein HD's will raise the front end that much? If the
> valving is really the same between the HD's and Sports, I'd be leaning
> toward the HD's, but I'm not so sure I want to do that if it will raise the
> front of the car any more than it is now.
>
> BTW - pics of last weekend's autocross are up here:
> http://tinyurl.com/2b6hoq
> Nate and his new/used GLX are on pages 1 and 3. Don and I are on pages 7, 8,
> 13, and 16.
>
> Cris
>
> Dan Bubb <jdbubb@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> My understanding, although not from personal experience, is that the
> valving between the Bilstein HD and Sport is the same, but the shock travel
> is different to accomodate either a close to stock ride height or a lowered
> right height.
> What I do know is the Bilsteins will raise the front of your car quite a
> bit, probably about 1/2", due to the internal gas pressure and the shear
> diameter of the shock rod on the front which is virtually the diameter of
> the shock body. Course over time the gas pressure will leak out and the
> front will lower, but for the short term you'll probably want to do
> something to lower the front somewhat.
> Any new gas shock will raise your car somewhat so be ready for that, but the
>
> front Bilstein is a different case.
> I have ancient Konis on one of my cars and they still seem to perform pretty
>
> well although I haven't autocrossed for years. What is good about the Konis
> is you can adjust (at least the fronts without removal) the bump rebound
> easily presumably tightening your car somewhat for autocrossing then
> readjust for the drive home.
> Also, again from what I've heard mostly on the Yahoo VW autocross group, any
>
> of these shocks can be rebuilt or valving changed for a reasonable cost at
> least in light of the cost of their original purchase.
> Dan
>
> From: "Cris Carpenter"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Strut Time - suggestions? Koni vs Bilstien vs Bilstein
>
>
> > ----------------
> >
> > After getting a few interesting resposes to this question and reading
> > other reviews and info around the web, I've started to focus on three
> > choices: Koni Yellow, Bilstein HD, and Bilstein Sport.
> >
> > So what I'm wondering about is getting feedback from anyone running
> > any of these three, especially from people doing any autocrossing at
> > all. I should point out that I'm running pretty close to stock ride
> > height (tho slightly stiffer springs). There is some mention on the
> > web (in addition to Gordy's post) that if I'm running lowered I'd want
>
> > to consider the Bilstein Sports, but that HD's are recommended for
> stock
> ride height.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Cris
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:13:06 -0600
> > From: "Gordy Stedman"
> > Subject: Re: Strut Time - suggestions?
> > To: "Cris Carpenter" , Scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Message-ID:
> > <6ba77e650708131713o5dbbd532ra7de2f07fd1b7988@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >
> > I just bought this
> > http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/pts/391779927.html
> > Will see if it is worth the time. All the used suspension I have
> > bought was broken and junk. I still recommend Bilstein sports for
> > lowering and the HDs for stock ride height springs.
> >
> >
> > On 8/13/07, Cris Carpenter wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, time to give up on the old Sachs inserts on my 81. They are
> > still
> >> relatively okay on the highway, but have given up rebound control
> > under
> >> severe handling situations. Was getting a lot of wheel hop out of the
> > right
> >> front during the autocross yesterday.
> >>
> >> So my question is: what struts (and maybe rear shocks too) should I
> > put on
> >> the 81? I don't want anything too radical (preferring to sitck with
> > the
> >> stock setup), but am mostly using the car for club-level motorsports
> > these
> >> days and don't really use it on the road anymore. I've heard a lot of
> > talk
> >> about Koni's lately, but which ones and where to get them from?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Cris
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gordy
> > MK1 x 5
> >
> >
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