-----Original Message----- From: Karl Krupke [mailto:kkrup62@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:03 PM Pliers are dealer, and spendy ($64), but I think (IIRC) you can extract the shim using compressed air. ---------------------- Or you can just use a magnet... On a stiiiiiick... :) You know, those expandable antenna-type magnets? Works perfectly. David