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Air-powered car?
From: Eric S
To: Verboten1
Cc: raveracer77 ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Air-powered car?
Rave Racer (and you guys were giving me shit about not using my real name
10 years ago)
I've been Rave Racer so long that online it's all I use anymore. the MySpace link at the bottom has the story behind that name. I'm Pete McMullen, but it's just easier using the identity online. Most people in the Air Force here don't even know my real name they've always called me Mick and I just can't be bothered to correct them. My wife just calls me stupid.
Rave Racer
Currently:
NEW!! 91 Jetta GLI 2.0L 16V
'81 Scirocco Mk1 1.8L 8V Digifant 2
'89 Jetta GTX 1.8L 16V
'87 Audi 4000 Quattro
http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewCar&carid=110
'72 Triumph GT6
http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/50-50-111014_20raveracer-gt6-1.jpg
http://spaces.msn.com/raveracer77/photos/
http://www.myspace.com/rave_racer
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----- Original Message -----
From: Eric S
To: Verboten1
Cc: raveracer77 ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Air-powered car?
Rave Racer (and you guys were giving me shit about not using my real name
10 years ago) is correct here though, using easily accessable "free"
energy like Solar, this motor could be quite efficient. Biggest
maintainance item I could see would be the air dyers needed so the tank in
the car wouldn't rot. Someone like me that lives in a very dry climate,
and very sunny, could have a very simple closed system with solar panels
on my garage, and never have to pay for gas again (bonus, you could run
your air tools for "free" as well).
I wonder, couldn't a smaller version of his engine be run in reverse as a
compressor? Piston comressors are very inefficient and require a decent
amout of electricity to run.
Hell, you could even design a "hybrid" style system with a small comressor
reclaiming lost energy from coasting and braking.
Regardless, if done properly, this is a MUCH safer, and *possibly* more
efficient system than hydrogen (fuel cell or piston engine).
Ok enough rambling, lets just say its something interesting, and I'd like
to know what kind of real power he is getting out of these motors, at what
PSI and CFM.
--
Eric
www.vintagewatercooleds.com
1979 Dasher Coupe 2.0 8v
1981 Scirocco S (TDI swap project)
1990 Fox Wagon 1.6 Heron Head 8v
1991 Cabriolet (2.0 crossflow 8v project)
Verboten1 said:
> compressed air is one of the most expensive things in our manufacturing
> budget.
> very inefficient, wet, and oily, unless processed right.
>
> On 10/29/06, raveracer77 <raveracer77@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The best way for this to become efficient is if we had a way to make
>> our own electricity which there is. There is no way to make our own oil
>> so
>> that's got to go. A solar panel or two and a large compressor with a
>> huge
>> holding tank would be a great way to get to work and back.
>>
>> Rave Racer
>> Currently:
>> NEW!! 91 Jetta GLI 2.0L 16V
>> '81 Scirocco Mk1 1.8L 8V Digifant 2
>>
>> '89 Jetta GTX 1.8L 16V
>> '87 Audi 4000 Quattro
>> http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewCar&carid=110
>> '72 Triumph GT6
>>
>> http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/50-50-111014_20raveracer-gt6-1.jpg
>>
>> http://spaces.msn.com/raveracer77/photos/
>> http://www.myspace.com/rave_racer
>> ___________________________________________
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brian Haygood
>> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 07:24 PM
>> Subject: RE: Air-powered car?
>>
>>
>>
>> I hate to be the anti-idea-police, but that is really stupid. OK, so
>> powering a small cart with a couple of large tanks would be fine if you
>> really needed to cut down on the noise a lot or had some other specific
>> constraint that prevented engines from being used, didn't feel like
>> using
>> electric, etc. Those propane lift trucks are pretty darn quiet over
>> smoothe
>> ground, so I doubt his is all that much quieter. The idea that it is
>> somehow the wave of the future for engines in general is just dumb.
>> It's
>> just an air driven motor - not an engine at all. The air compressor is
>> doing the work and I doubt any of us has an efficient air compressor on
>> hand
>> that can compare with a gas engine. By the time you burn the coal (yes,
>> about 50% of the US's electricity is made from coal) to make the
>> electricity
>> to use the compressor to put the air in the tank, it's pretty much a
>> lost
>> cause. Consider how totally freaking hot an air compressor's high
>> pressure
>> line gets and you can tell there
>> is energy being let out of the system at a high rate.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a lot like claiming that the car of the future is gravity
>> powered. Sure, it is zero emission if you don't count having to tow it
>> to
>> the top of the hill, and the tow truck probably has 5 times the
>> emmissions
>> of a Honduh anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat 10/28, Mtl-Marc < marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca > wrote:
>>
>> From: Mtl-Marc [mailto: marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca]
>>
>> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>>
>> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:02:50 -0400
>>
>> Subject: RE: Air-powered car?
>>
>>
>>
>> If only 87 psi available at your local air station, you could always
>> carry aspare can of psi Boost.Marc> > > I like it, where can I get a
>> couple? Does this mean at > the pumps I'll be able to get 87 psi, 89
>> psi
>> and 91 psi airs?> > Rave Racer> Currently:> NEW!! 91 Jetta GLI
>> 2.0L16V> '81 Scirocco Mk1
>> 1.8L 8V Digifant 2>
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