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SUPER Rant WAY OT: You Americans...
Canada...it's like a loft apartment over a really great party.
-Robin Williams "Live on Broadway" 2002
Time to grab another Coffee Crisp....
Craig
>From: julie@menloparkrandd.com
>To: marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca, "raveracer77"
><raveracer77@yahoo.ca>,haygood@myway.com
>CC: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: Re: Re: SUPER Rant WAY OT: You Americans...
>Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:21:47 +0000
>
>Best thing? Do away with the political barriers. I am a human of the planet
>earth. (Now some may disagree with this)
>Owning a Scirocco extends beyond the mundane, American, Canadian or even
>German label. We all Rocc!
>(hehehe, I got to use that line at last :)
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca [mailto:marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca]
> >Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 06:47 PM
> >To: 'raveracer77', haygood@myway.com
> >Cc: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >Subject: Re: Re: SUPER Rant WAY OT: You Americans...
> >
> >It is ok. we all have our opinions, and they are all valid.
> >
> >Me think that my 8V rocks, and I don't need no stinkin' 16V ;-)
> >
> >So, now we have less than 6 months to go before Cincy. time too start my
>bloody motor buildup.
> >
> >Cheers.
> >
> >Marc
> >
> >>
> >> De: "raveracer77" <raveracer77@yahoo.ca>
> >> Date: 2006/12/21 jeu. PM 05:16:10 GMT-05:00
> >> À: <haygood@myway.com>
> >> Cc: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >> Objet: Re: SUPER Rant WAY OT: You Americans...
> >>
> >>
> >> Right, I'm going to appologize now. The Rant stands, yes I said it and
>meant it, but it was a little... a lot over bearing. I'm going to separate
>myself from my computer, my house and this place for awhile and spend a
>little quality time with my Jetta, considering I can't go home and see my
>wife for the holidays. Mild anti Canadian sentiment on the part of my
>command structure and a few unwanted interventions considering how much
>I've been drinking lately. Of course I explode on the people who have
>nothing to do with these personal issues and are actually more support then
>the people I see everyday. Thanks for understanding. I'll come back next
>week.
> >>
> >> Rave Racer
> >> Currently:
> >> NEW!! 91 Jetta GLI 2.0L 16V
> >> '81 Scirocco Mk1 1.8L 8V Digifant 2
> >>
> >> '89 Jetta GTX 1.8L 16V
> >> '87 Audi 4000 Quattro
> >> http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewCar&carid=110
> >> '72 Triumph GT6
> >>
>http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/50-50-111014_20raveracer-gt6-1.jpg
> >>
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> >> http://www.myspace.com/rave_racer
> >> ___________________________________________
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Brian Haygood
> >> To: raveracer77@yahoo.ca ; scirocco16vr32@gmail.com ; type53@gmail.com
> >> Cc: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 02:40 PM
> >> Subject: RE: SUPER Rant WAY OT: You Americans...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> OK, I'll jump into the fire on this one.
> >>
> >> I personally find it a little short-sighted when anyone uses the term
>"American" to try and label someone as being from the United States. This
>was kinda drilled into me when I started travelling to Central America and
>South America. If you go anywhere South of Mexico and say, "I'm from
>America", you had better have your running shoes on. Claiming to be "North
>American" will generally be understood and forgiven, though I have never
>really seen how people in Mexico react to this (though Carlos Mencia
>informs me that the only people left in Mexico are Central Americans
>working their way up). For my part, I try to say, "I'm from the United
>States", or the translation thereof. That is greeted, at worst, with a
>reaction along the lines of, "The U.S. sucks, but at least he wasn't so
>arrogant as to claim the whole hemisphere is part of it". ...and here is a
>secret for you... Many people down there actually LIKE us! ...albeit too
>few.
> >>
> >> So, all this talk of being "American" kinda seems odd to me. Canadians
>get offended by being accused of it and Central and South Americans get
>offended by being left out of it. In reality, we all are "it". Either one
>is a sign that our (US) foreign relations are pretty darn bad. Rave was
>right about one thing. The US is getting weaker and worse by the day, and
>history dictates that it will have to fall soon. Heck, the average lifespan
>of a major democracy is well under 200 years, isn't it? However, having
>lived in Chile, I'll tell you that I won't be watching the US crumble from
>there. I hear Prague is nice this time of year, perish the thought. Maybe I
>should brush up on my Vietnamese, since my family is half that anyway.
> >>
> >> BH
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Thu 12/21, raveracer77 < raveracer77@yahoo.ca > wrote:
> >> From: raveracer77 [mailto: raveracer77@yahoo.ca]
> >> To: scirocco16vr32@gmail.com, type53@gmail.com
> >> Cc: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:01:57 -0700
> >> Subject: SUPER Rant WAY OT: You Americans...
> >>
> >> <br> Oy, why do you say such things. You do it on purpose don't you.
>Keep your flame suit on just a little longer because this might sting a
>little. <br> Ok, I've been a Dual citizen from Birth but raised in Canada
>and I can tell you, NO true green blooded Canadian will ever call himself
>American for a number of reason but the biggest being the stigma
>surrounding that so called elustrious "American" title with other
>countries. "Americans" are known worldwide and with good reason for being a
>number of undesirable things. This is not to say that every American
>everywhere will be hated all the time once he leaves his own country, but
>the differences are there. Every Canadian I have ever met would rather call
>themselves Colonists then American. I've even heard us referred to as part
>of the Commonwealth which implies the UK. Now as an American who's wife was
>refused entry at the border simply because of the change of the status of
>our relationship I can tell you,
> >> she will never call herself an American and she would punch anyone in
>the mouth who would insist she is. She's a tough girl, I wouldn't have
>married anyone else, but bless her heart, she wants to come anyway just
>because she loves me. If on a crazy chance I manage to save some time off
>and have a mobile street legal Dub to drive up to Cincy, be warned, she's
>not an American. She is most definately Canadian, Hungarian Second, German
>third, Eastern European fourth. If you're going to call her American you
>might as well call her Nazi, that's how she feels.<br><br> Never tell a
>Canadian what he / she is, you never know what baggage they may carry from
>living next door to the border, but they may smile and turn the other cheek
>and resent you for it quietly until it boils over in a massive attack
>verbal or otherwise on one poor singled out ignoramus (Anne Coulter looks
>like a prime target). But you don't know, there's a good chance that you'll
>meet an immigrant who's
> >> working to make his life better (same as here) but he still considers
>himself to be a countrymen of his homeland first, then Canadian (not quite
>the same as here). <br><br> I accept the title of North American for
>myself. Having spent significant time in all three countries that make up
>90% of this continent as well as the dozen or so other countries that own
>territories off the coast, BUT!!!! When I travel to Europe, I am Canadian.
>In the spirit of the argument I'll say something as ignorant as I'm allowed
>to say as an American: Australians can tell the difference, a Canadian will
>walk up and say, may I have a Fosters and will be handed a beer. An
>American will walk up and say "SO! YOU'RE FROM AUSTRALIA, HA, LET'S PUT
>ANOTHER SHRIMP ON THE BARBIE!!! GET IT? GET IT? HAHAHA!".<br><br> Canadians
>are not without their own stigma either. Having lived in Florida deep
>within Snow Bird territory I can tell you that Florida does not all have a
>good opinion of
> >> Canadians, but Snow Birds are that part of us who come from one group.
>Elderly, wealthy, snotty, cheap. If in your entire life you've only ever
>met Texans and that was your impression of America, it wouldn't be
>accurate, but somehow one type of people all go to the same place and
>that's how Florida thinks of Canadians.<br><br> Again I'll say that not
>every time and American leaves his country will he / she encounter an angry
>mob, but unless you have had the unique opportunity to be both Canadian or
>American in these situations repeatedly no one can tell you what it's like
>to be the other with an objective point of view. Don't be fooled though, we
>might all be North Americans, but not all of us are allowed across this
>entire continent, not very North American of us now is it. Other Countries
>make the distinction and that is what makes the titles different. In
>Glasgow you tell them you're Canadian, they'll welcome you. London,
>welcomed. Paris, very welcomed. St
> >> Maarten, Antigua, Guadeloupe, Bahamas, Turks and Caicos, Barbados,
>Dominica, Australia, England, Scottland, France, all welcome Canadians. On
>return visits to these places with an "American" Passport, not so welcomed.
>Telling people face to face that I'm an American, their eyes don't light up
>the same way if at all as when I tell them I'm Canadian. Truly, I feel
>sorry for those who are forced to claim the title of American and have no
>other title they can use. I predict in the near future when this world
>turns upside down Americans may fear for their lives the same way Jews did
>during the Nazi reign and the same way the Nazis did when they fell. Nazis,
>Napolean, Rome, Greece, Gauls, Ming dynasty, all great empires ended with
>severe bloodshed, America is this eras greatest empire and indeed the
>greatest empire this planet has ever seen in all it's history.<br> Should I
>stand on a street corner with a sign "The End is Near"? No, China never
>felt the fall of the Roman
> >> Empire, The Norse never even noticed the fall of China, and I don't
>plan to be here when it happens. I'll watch in horror, but from afar. I'll
>stand on a mountain in Chile with a sign, "Their End is Near".<br><br> Good
>Luck with that.<br><br>I have no flame suit as I face the fire with enough
>ferocity to scare the flame from my skin. I dare someone with as much
>knowledge to contradict my opinion of the world view of the term
>"American". I live it, breath it, and claim it with shame.<br><br> Rave
>Racer<br>Currently:<br>NEW!! 91 Jetta GLI 2.0L 16V<br>'81 Scirocco Mk1 1.8L
>8V Digifant 2<br><br>'89 Jetta GTX 1.8L 16V<br>'87 Audi 4000 Quattro <br>
>http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewCar&carid=110<br>'72
>Triumph GT6<br>
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><br>http://spaces.msn.com/raveracer77/photos/
><br>http://www.myspace.com/rave_racer<br>___________________________________________<br><br><br>Drew,
>my
> >> friend, my brother, my co-conspirator when it comes to all<br>things
>Scirocco...<br><br>I disagree with you sir.<br><br>It would be correct to
>call us Citizens of the United States of<br>America--that is if you wish to
>disassociate your country from the US<br>in contrasting differences.
>Although it is wildly popular to call<br>persons from the US, Americans...
>it is only a half truth.<br><br>Allow me to don my flame suit and explain.
>I believe we all live in a<br>continent called North America. So by
>definition persons from Mexico<br>and Canada are also Americans. North
>Americans but Americans none the<br>less. Same goes for South America. The
>people that live in that<br>continent are also technically
>Americans.<br><br>What this term has evolved into is the rough equivilent
>to an Italian<br>looking at a someone from Spain and saying "You
>Europeans..."<br><br>Don't get me wrong. I love you guys--although I think
>you should<br>rename the country "CATHYLAND" because she
> >> rules, and put in a good<br>word with the border guards... I hate
>sitting in customs for four<br>hours. Maybe I should stop pointing out that
>they are Americans as<br>well.<br><br>Likewise I have a problem with the
>accent thing... I think it is<br>horribly inappropriate to label an entire
>country or people with a<br>sterotype. "Eh" is a perfect example of this.
>Everywhere in the<br>world there are dialects and local "ism's" There are
>many dialects in<br>the United States, not everyone here says "Y'all", not
>everyone says<br>"Cars" like a Bostonian (God Love 'EM), nor do I speak
>"Jersey"... My<br>wife does and I have been with her 8 years and I still
>trying to<br>figure out the difference between "water" and "wooter".
>Apparently<br>you "warsh" with water and drink wooter but God that confuses
>the shit<br>out of me. And what is this UNHOLY alliance with Jersey and
>WAWA?<br><br>My best example of all; anyone that has seen Fargo knows that
>at least<br>in the movies people
> >> in Fargo, North Dakota say "eh" way more than<br>anyone in Canada
>does.<br><br>On the other hand I have heard (and read) the news in Canada
>several<br>times refer to someone as having a "soft american accent"--even
>in<br>print I have never seen the A capitolized. It may have been a typo
>or<br>two I don't read the news when I am there all that often although
>I<br>should. I am not sure that there is an American accent... I
>don't<br>think one accent or dialect wins out over any other in the
>United<br>States. It certainly falls in the "different than the way I
>speak"<br>catagory from the general point of view of the average Canadian.
>It<br>would boring to read if the news read: "Speaking in a
>Non-Canadian<br>Accent, possibly a dialect from the Southwestern United
>States..."<br>Again calling it an American accent has the same pitfalls of
>calling<br>US Citizens simply Americans. French Canadians by definition
>have a<br>(North) American accent.<br><br>Most reactions to this
> >> arguement at least from the Canadians I have<br>shared my OPINION with
>is similar to "I slapped your momma on the way<br>in the room" reaction.
>Why is this almost an insult? I don't think<br>we as a people are terribly
>different. I would like to think that we<br>have similar values and belief
>systems as we do have somewhat common<br>origins and have been allies for
>so long. We fought together in World<br>War II... you gave us
>"Scotty".<br><br>I consider you brothers. Alas I know that siblings need to
>carve out<br>their own identity. Even twins can be polar opposites in
>personality.<br> It's ok to be different.<br><br>Just a peeve of mine...
>sorry man. Hope I didn't burn any bridges. I<br>will still answer to
>"Americans..." although I disagree with it's<br>usage. It has become
>universally accepted even though I feel it is a<br>misnomer.<br><br>This
>was written tongue in cheek as I am sure your reply was as well.<br><br>I
>told you that every couple of days I have to
> >> debug the two brain<br>cells that I have.<br><br>Group hug?
>LOL<br><br>Chris<br>Citizen of Tacoma (would that be a
>Tacoma-manian?)<br>Citizen of the State of Washington
>(Washingtonian)<br>Citizen of the United States of American (This one is a
>bit awkward)<br>Citizen of North American (American ;)<br>Citizen of Planet
>Earth (Earthling or Terran)<br><br>(still sporting the flame
>suit)<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Scirocco-l
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