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Collapsing US bumpers: safe?

Subject: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
From: scourge at cogeco.ca (Scourge)
Date: Fri Jul 15 18:37:38 2005
References: <20050715132352.IWUD23050.lakermmtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> <0bf301c58983$006b72d0$899b9618@peppy> <001101c5898e$53a68330$2f01a8c0@HP52381024421>
Possibly, but I don't think that car ever had an "enthusiest" owner. lol It
was pretty damn stock(aside from hacked fixes) and neglected. I'd say it's
possible that, in the interest of cost(providing the bracket bumpers were
cheaper/easier to get) they might have been swapped.
I would think they would have(they'd have, they would've, they'd've???  lol)
used the same..... I ....nevermind, it didn't make any sense. Don't worry,
I'm ok.

I'm going to go give Blacky some lovin' now.....
Bye

-George
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@verizon.net>
To: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>; <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>; "Timbo"
<timjmcconnell@gmail.com>; "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?


> If your car was originally a Canadian car, then despite it's year it may
> have just had the brackets depending on whether or not Canadian law
mimicked
> US law on bumper regs.
> Also, if you did own it originally, no telling if it got tagged and
somebody
> replaced the bumpers and thought to loose a little weight while they were
at
> it???
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
> To: <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>; "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>; "GGehrke"
> <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
>
>
> >A couple posts before, it was said that <84 had shocks. Plus MK1's had
them
> > right?   Would seem weird that VW would only stop using them for a
couple
> > years.
> > I really don't know what years had them or didn't. I do know my early
84'
> > didn't, my 84' GLI did, and my 86, I don't think it has them, but I
can't
> > be
> > sure cuz I've not pulled the bumpers off.
> > Plus didn't somebody with an 84' at cincy have drilled out shocks with
> > compressed bumpers....Timbo maybe?
> >
> > -George
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> > To: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>; "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>;
> > "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 9:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >
> >
> >> From your wording, I think we are on the same page...  Arent we?
> >>
> >> Mid 84 and earlier=brackets, later= shocks...
> >>
> >> David
> >> >
> >> > From: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
> >> > Date: 2005/07/15 Fri AM 12:17:44 EDT
> >> > To: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>,
> >> > "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>,  "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> >> > CC: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >> >
> >> > Don't you mean it the other way around?? Weren't the shock type ones
in
> >> > earlier cars??  That said, my 84 was a full size spare, small gas
tank,
> >> > small wing, typical early 84. But had bracket type bumpers.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -George
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> >> > To: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>; "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>;
> >> > "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> >> > Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:05 PM
> >> > Subject: RE: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > From what I can tell in ETKA, the bumpers go in time with the gas
> >> > > tank
> >> > > changes.  Full size spare meant you had brackets, compact meant
> >> > > shock-type...
> >> > >
> >> > > David
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org
> >> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org]On
> >> > > Behalf
> > Of
> >> > > Scourge
> >> > > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:08 PM
> >> > > To: Timbo; GGehrke
> >> > > Cc: Scirocco list
> >> > > Subject: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >> > >
> >> > > My 84' that I scrapped only had the brackets, no shocks in the
front
> > or
> >> > > rear. Maybe a Canadian thing??
> >> > >
> >> > > -George
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>
> >> > > To: "GGehrke" <ggehrke@gmail.com>
> >> > > Cc: "Scirocco list" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:37 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ALL US spec bumpers are designed to take a < 5mph impact and the
car
> >> > > will have no frame damage. The bumper may be
> >> > > scraped/cracked/dented/destroyed - but the car is just fine.
> >> > >
> >> > > This aparantly only works on older sciroccos - something like up to
> >> > > 85
> >> > > or 86 I think.
> >> > >
> >> > > Newer cars just have a solid bracket. Old cars have shocks with
> >> > > hydraulic fluid in them. Drill a hole, WEAR EYE GOGGLES - I'm not
> >> > > kidding - it will spray right at you. Wear a hat too!
> >> > >
> >> > > --Timbo
> >> > >
> >> > > On 7/13/05, GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > I'm thinking of collapsing my big ugly US bumpers, but I'm
curious
> >> > > > what sort of crash protection they actually do provide.  Does
> >> > > > anyone
> >> > > > know what the official spec is (i.e. were they designed to resist
a
> >> > > > 10mph hit or something to that effect) or what consequence there
> > would
> >> > > > be to having the shocks emptied?
> >> > > > At this point I'm not terribly concerned with doing it for it's
> >> > > > aesthetic value because the car's pretty rough looking anyways,
but
> > I
> >> > > > have them off for powerwashing and repairing a bit of rust, so
I'm
> >> > > > thinking I might as well.  The car looks so good without any
> >> > > > bumpers
> >> > > > on it, too.  If it's genuinely unsafe I'd rather just keep them
as
> > is
> >> > > > for now, though.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Oh, and I just finished power washing the car.  Did a real bang
up
> > job
> >> > > > on the paint. Flaked right off all over the place.  Now the car's
> >> > > > literally about 6 different colours.  It was intentional, but
ugh.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Other recent projects:
> >> > > > My headlights died and I couldnt find the problem (sockets fine,
> >> > > > switch fine, fuse fine, etc etc) so I just wired them up with
heavy
> >> > > > gauge wire to toggle switches on the dash.
> >> > > > New cable from battery to starter and ground strap to hopefully
fix
> >> > > > other electrical gremlins and starting problems.  It does
actually
> >> > > > seem to run much better!  It starts without me having to give it
> >> > > > any
> >> > > > gas and idles more smoothly.
> >> > > > Painted my dash black to fix scuffs and petrified duct tape
residue
> > from
> >> > > the PO.
> >> > > > Seafoam!  Timbo was right, fun smokescreen!  This helped reveal,
> > too,
> >> > > > though, that my entire exhaust system is shot.  Smoke poured not
> > only
> >> > > > out the tailpipe but exited at various other locations down the
> > whole
> >> > > > length.
> >> > > > Vacuum and febreeze the interior.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Plus I helped my buddy cut his M3's exhaust in half, gut the cat
> >> > > > and
> >> > > > weld it back together.  That was pretty fun too :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -Grant-
> >> > > >
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> >> > >
> >> > > --
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> >> > > Early 84 Scirocco 8v Pewter Metallic
> >> > > Early 84 Scirocco 8v Plain ol Black
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> >>
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- Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
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- Collapsing US bumpers: safe?
  - From: jdbubb at verizon.net (Dan Bubb)
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