[Fwd: Re: Starter Bolts - Size for replacements?]

[camron at worldaccessnet.com (Camron D. Crouse)]

Sorry Dan meant to reply to list:


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Subject: 	Re: Starter Bolts - Size for replacements?
Date: 	Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:08:42 -0800
From: 	Camron D. Crouse <camron@worldaccessnet.com>
To: 	Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
References: 	<4059E9FE.3040402@worldaccessnet.com> 
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Any opinions on 12-pt (torx- style) vs. Allen (hex) heads on these 
bolts?  If I get a new set of replacements, then is one more resilient 
(i.e. less likely to get stripped heads) than the other?

- Camron from Vancouver, WA USA
  '86.5 Black 16V 2.0L

Dan Bubb wrote:

>Looks like M10 X 135, 1 ea and M10 X 150, 1 ea, hex socket head.
>Doesn't list pitch and my memory isn't good enough to speculate.
>Dan
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Camron D. Crouse" <camron@worldaccessnet.com>
>To: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:27 PM
>Subject: Starter Bolts - Size for replacements?
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>>Hi Listers - I'm wondering if someone can tell me the size / length / 
>>pitch of the starter bolts on a 16V Scirocco.  The frame shop doing the 
>>repairs on my front crossmember just called and told me the existing 
>>bolts are stripped and that I'll need replacements.They had some 
>>difficulty removing the starter to get at the Work on the xmember.  The 
>>VW Parts Dealer didn't answer (I left a message) and they tend not to 
>>have older parts in stock, as I'm sure most folks here know.  I'd like 
>>to get my Roc back this afternoon if possible, so if I have to, I'll try 
>>to local nut & bolt shop in town.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>
>>- Camron from Vancouver, WA USA
>>   '86.5 Black 16V 2.0L
>>

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Quoting from the archives:

Thanks everyone for the help with the front motor mount issue! Yes, my
starter bolts are the 10mm 12-pt "tripple square", which I'm told is normal
on some of the later 16v's. After a long day of searching (I even hung out
at a shop in the hopes that a Mac/Snap-On guy would come) I found a full set
at Discount Auto Parts for something like $6.99. This was the LAST place I
expected to find it, as I usually consider Discount to be worse than Pep
Boyz. They actually have a box of cherry bombs sitting on the display
shelves, as if the local gear heads buy them as often as the rest of us buy
oil filters! Well, whatever the case, they were my savior that day!! I'm
told that a Ford occasionally used them or something.

With the starter bolts out of the way, everything went just fine. It will
definitely take some time to get used to the heavy-duty mounts I put in.
They definitely transmit a fair bit of vibration!

Neal
88 16v

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Loosen up the starter bolts and remove the bracket.  Be careful not too strip 
the starter bolts (torx bolt I believe).  I replaced those with generic hex 
head bolts....seems ok!  Put a jack under the oil pan just to relieve tension 
from the mount.

hope that helps
Joe Maahs
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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Brett the Scirocco god wrote:

>Front one is pretty easy, you need an 8mm hex drive for the long upper
>starter/mount bolt, and (usually) for the lower an 8mm 12 point triple
>square drive.  This is the same tool used for the inner CV joint flange,
>and strangely enough also fits the stock teardrop centercaps.  I would
>recommend not using a hex drive as you'll more then likely strip the
>bolt and be an unhappy camper.  After pulling these two long bolts,
>the starter and the front motor mount practically fall down on your head,
>so you might want to disconnect the battery and solenoid first so you
>don't have battery + swinging around your engine compartment.  You
>may have to jack around with the engine to get everything back.  The
>rubber plug motor mount is pretty easy to R&R from the bracket.

BTW, if you go with the "remove the starter" method, I have found on most of
my parts cars, etc that both starter bolts should use the same tool which is
not the same one used for cv bolts or teardrop caps.  The older cars had
hex-heads (allen bolts) top and bottom.  I have also found some cars to have
the nuts welded to the front mount, and some have just the upper nut welded
on

John

'82 16v pickup
and lots of other stuff
website - http://www.prod.net/jvanvuren/vw.htm



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