VW layoffs & reliability

[area53 at validpath.com (Jeff Toomasson)]

It's funny this has been brought up because there's been at least 20-30+
times in the recent past I've seen a late model VW with some light burnt
out. When the numbers get that high you really can't help questioning their
quality...

The only car I'd buy new for myself would be a BMW hands down.

My $0.02, JT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc Getty" <marc@getty.net>
To: "'Chris'" <vze28h54@verizon.net>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: VW layoffs & reliability


>
> The low German car reliability numbers you write about are new and
> based on four things.
>
> 1. Spending on print advertising by German car makers is *WAY LOW*
> lately. Hint Hint.
>
> 2. Most of the problems reported are minor, as in "my heated mirrors
> don't work" kind of stuff. My Benz has never left me stranded by
> loosing it's ability to take me places (other then flat tires), which
> is the core intrinsic purpose of a car.
>
> 3. The level of expectation for reliability  is very high on all
> luxury cars, slightly higher on German cars. If the horn breaks on
> your Chevy Caviler you don't care, if the cigarette lighter breaks in
> your E500 you get pissed!
>
> 4. All luxury cars are incredibly complicated and have a lot more
> parts then an economy car. Heated mirrors is not an option on Chevy
> Caviler. The key to my Benz is more complicated then the engine,
> transmission, or fuel injection system on a Chevy Caviler.
>
> -Marc
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Chris
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:09 AM
> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: VW layoffs & reliability
>
>
> Reliability is going to have to be "Job One".  Just got the new care
> issue
> of Consumer Reports. In the Small Car category: Reliability for '01 -
> '03
> for 5 VW models ranged from 40% worse than average to 104% worse than
> average (the turbos).  They ranked below 2 Hyundai models and a Chevy
> Cavalier.  The saving grace for Vws is that repair costs are probably
> much
> lower than many or most cars.   The '03 VWs ranked well on
> reliability.
> Maybe they have got it right now.
>
> The Asian cars topped the reliability charts.  American cars from the
> Big
> Three ranked, on average, slightly above the European cars. (For the
> "first
> time in decades.")  M-B did not come out very well.  Luxury cars: BMW
> 7
> Series - 175% worse then ave.  Boy what an insult to BMW buyers.  Pay
> a
> whopping sum for the car.  It doesn't run and you know they pay
> through the
> nose for repairs.
>
> But people love some cars despite their short comings on
> reliability.  Reliability chart. "Sporty Car" category.  Mini Cooper.
> 99%
> worse than average.
> Flip back to another chart. "Most Satisfying", Small Car category.
> Mini
> Cooper is one of the three cars listed.
>
> Chris
>
> At 10:44 AM 03/09/2004 -0700, Eric S wrote:
>
> >Maybe VW will wake up soon.  Upmarket moves like the Toureg and the
> >Phaeton were stupid...now they feel the stupidity of those decisions
> >biting at their heels.
> >
> >--
> >Eric
> >www.vintagewatercooleds.com
> >
> >79 VW Iltis
> >81 Rabbit Truck 2.0 16v
> >81 Scirocco S (TDI Swap project)
> >90 Corrado TDI
> >91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow swap project)
> >
> >Julie Macfarlane said:
> > >
> > > Even our favorite company is hurting. Over extended?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://edition.cnn.com/2004/BUSINESS/03/09/vw.layoffs.reut/index.htm
> > > l
> > >
> > > Julie Macfarlane
> > > 1981 MKI 2L 16v
> > > Amsterdam NY
> > >
> > >
> > > Ev
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