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2.0l block

Cathy, what would you have changed with the conversion?  Or another way
of asking, what are you not happy with regarding the conversion?
Motronic?

Thanks, Rick K.




-----Original Message-----
From: C Boyko [mailto:roccit_53@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:09 PM
To: rfkellner@snet.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: 2.0l block

Nevertheless, bad form on my part, I should have gone back to the
original 
thread. Am I the only NON engineer on this list? Mods on the 2L are also
a 
favorite topic for me to listen in on. Not sure I'd do it the same next 
time, but I'm sure enjoying mine. Now if the mud would only go away.
Cathy

>From: "Rick Kellner" <rfkellner@snet.net>
>To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: RE: 2.0l block
>Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 20:53:40 -0500
>
>Cathy, there is no need to apologize and I hope it was not due to my
>comments since they were not intended that way.  Unfortunately email
>text, especially from an engineer, can come across a little stark.
>I am enjoying hearing any discussions regarding 2.0l modifications.
>Rick Kellner.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: C Boyko [mailto:roccit_53@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:42 PM
>To: rfkellner@snet.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: RE: 2.0l block
>
>I apologise, I just now dug back to the original post, and everything
>I've
>read suggests that for a P&P, a 2L is the way to go, so I'm sorry I
>didn't
>read back far enough.
>Regardless, I'm happy with my build, and I can't comment on anything
>other
>than what I have in mine can I?
>Cathy
>
>
> >From: "Rick Kellner" <rfkellner@snet.net>
> >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:26:13 -0500
> >
> >The original question was whether to P&P a 1.8 or 2.0.  IMHO I
believe
> >that the end result will be similar however; the 2.0 head affords the
> >machinist more metal to work with.
> >As far as the increase HP of the stock 1.8 head; I was using the
lower
> >number referenced in Raven's book.  If I do not have 'estimate' of
the
> >gains I cannot justify the investment in the upgrade.  I have to
weigh
> >the cost/benefit.  I am choosing the upgrades with the biggest bang
for
> >the buck and I do realize that you reach a point of diminishing
>returns.
> >The last few HP come at an extremely high price.
> >Rick K.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> >[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of C Boyko
> >Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 8:58 AM
> >To: MK1Scirocco16v@comcast.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> >
> >Well I personally am too weak to throw a 2L head far enough to
qualify
> >as
> >"away", though mine did end up in Barrie. ( I liked my 2L head just
> >fine,
> >but had the 1.8 rebuilt )
> >
> >Seriously, I always have issues with saying this or that will add x
hp,
> >especially something like a head. It's part of the puzzle, the rest
> >being
> >intake, cams, exhaust, and so on, adding just one isn't going to net
>you
> >the
> >same as if you add that same thing after all the other things have
been
> >done. I'm making decent power on a 1.8 head (133 at the wheels, with
>the
> >2L
> >head it made 112, which is about right for the rated 130ish at the
> >engine),
> >so it's certainly not a bad option. But I added all that other good
> >stuff
> >too.
> >Cathy
> >1987 16V 2L/1.8 head and NO MUFFLER!!!
> >1979 8V that makes exactly half the power (for now)
> >Which camp was I in again?
> >
> > >From: "Dave Ewing" <MK1Scirocco16v@comcast.net>
> > >To: "Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> > >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 00:50:18 -0800
> > >
> > >The 1.8L head by itself does not add an extra 10hp.  Hope you
didn't
> >invest
> > >a bunch of money in that old head and throw your 2.0L head away
that
> > >actually had more potential.
> > >
> > >Dave
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > >[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Julie
Macfarlane
> > >Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:36 AM
> > >To: ceatock@sympatico.ca; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > >Subject: RE: 2.0l block
> > >
> > >
> > >A short block is the lower section only with out the head. I paid
>$650
> >US
> > >for a rebuilt block and spent almost $550 on the head to prep the
> >engine.
> > >Do
> > >I think it was worth the trouble? Well, I no longer hold the title
>for
> >the
> > >"Rocc with the least HP".  :)
> > >
> > >A new 9A block is about 135 hp + 10 hp for the 1.8 head. Sooo about
>145
> >HP
> > >instead of 50? Scotch guard is wonderful!
> > >
> > >The 9A block will fit in a MKI for sure.
> > >IIRC the ABA (8V) is a bit taller (physically) if that is what you
> >mean.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Julie Macfarlane
> > >1981 MKI 2L 16v
> > >Amsterdam NY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Chad Eatock" <ceatock@sympatico.ca>
> > > >To: "scirocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > >Subject: 2.0l block
> > > >Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 02:27:03 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Will a 2.0l block from a 90's golf, jetta or passat work for a
>rocco
> > > >conversion?  I found a 2.0l engine up here for $750CDN...is it
>worth
> >it?
> > > >It's the whole engine though head and block.....how do you know
if
> >it's a
> > > >tall block or short?
> > > >Chadster '87 16v
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