Friday - what's the fastest you've ever taken your Scirocco?

[kirsten.jensen at earthlink.net (Kirsten Jensen)]

Are the UK and German specs the same?  If so, I can scan in the info from 
VW Golf and Derivatives which has the specs for the Scirocco GLi/GTI Mark 
1, Scirocco GTI, GLi, GTX Mark 2, and Scirocco GTX 16V Mark 2 amongst other 
VWs.

Also, VW Power and Style has a year by year overview of every single (I 
think) type of Scirocco with notes on the differences between the US 
versions and European versions.

I was going to scan both of these books (well the Scirocco sections and 
relevant and/or interesting info) as well as VW Treasures by Karmann and 
several others and post everything on my website, but as you can imagine 
that is taking a long time.....if people want to know these specs now, I 
would be happy to scan in those specific pages.

Kirsten


At 11:03 PM 3/6/04, Ron Bunch wrote:
>David:
>
>I don't know. However, I have some old German mags with details and will 
>look at them to research that.
>They are buried amongst the posters of Claudia Schiffer in posters for BMW 
>and Porsches 20 years ago, but I'll suffer through that trash pile called 
>my office to find the Scirocco summaries.
>Maybe some of our Deutsche friends can help here with such details.
>I loved my 77 US Beetle and my 79 German GTI, but never became a VW 
>/Scirocco nut until one of my sons ran my 86 8V out of oil several times 
>whilst in Univ at Boulder. That was 12 years ago, and it is still my DD.
>I've made some prompting remarks on the list to see if anyone knew how the 
>German spec Sciroccos compared to the US versions but have yet to receive 
>anything in detail.
>I do know my 79 German GTI was a high compression ratio and would break 
>120MPH equivalent straight and level.
>My US spec 86 8V was low octane for the US and would only do 115 MPH 
>straight and level at best.
>The US spec 86 16V was rated at 123 MPH, but I never drove one on the 
>Autobahn. Certainly, it would reach that speed much more quickly than 
>either US or German 8Valves I drove.
>But, that 79 GTI seemed to enjoy the higher RPMs more than my 86 US 8V or 
>the  88 16V I enjoyed for a couple years here in don't speed land.
>It's a good question to which I don't have the answer.
>However, I suspect (only suspect) the 79 German GTI head was high flow 
>similar to the JH. I definitely know it was a higher compression ratio.
>Considering a swap of my JH head to a 2.0L, I also suspect the benefits of 
>such a swap also derive from a significantly increased compression ration, 
>cramming that increased displacement into the same JH chambers. Don't 
>know, but maybe some listers have measured that with water or Coors.
>
>In looking at performance figures some reliable listers have presented, I 
>suspect some of them have found that best combination of German specs in 
>an 8V, even if aftermarket Neuspeed or some other mix.
>(I would love to know what the cam numbers were on my German 8V).
>We already have a reported baseline of 123 MPH top end for the US 16V. 
>That's a little more than my German GTI 8V, but only 4 MPH and 8 MPH more 
>than my US 86 8V.
>However, I will say the 88 16V I drove for a while would out accelerate 
>the German 8V GTI and certainly the US 8V.
>Where the German 16V models fit performance wise, I just don't know, 
>because that was when I was only visiting Germany every few monthsand 
>renting other cars.
>Maybe some German listers can give such details.
>Perhaps we should be scratching around German boneyards for 8V heads at 
>good prices, instead of the 50mm holy grail of 16Vs, with less low end 
>performance.
>What would really be interesting is to know the compression ratio, head 
>design, and final drive ratios for the best German spec 16 V models. I'd 
>take that in my US 86.
>Downside is, I might also be spending as much on lead additives and octane 
>boosters per tank as for fuel, as in feeding my German spec 83 911SC.
>That's a personal decision.
>Nothing's free, except for Leftists.
>The rest of us still have fun.
>BTW: The only outlandish claim I've seen lately about Scirocco top speed 
>was 245KPH , but I don't recall where I saw that. .
>
>7/04 -0600, David Utley wrote:
>>Ron,
>>    Was this engine the type with the Heron head, or is it more similar to
>>the JH we have here?
>>
>>Just curious,
>>   David
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
>>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Ron Bunch
>>Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 9:15 PM
>>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>>Subject: Re: Friday - what's the fastest you've ever taken your Scirocco?
>>
>>My 1979 German spec CIS Scirocco GTI (attack/fighter version:no AC, no
>>power anything, no options at all, not even a radio) would run all day
>>straight and level at 200 KPH (124 MPH). It did that for 7 years and 160,00
>>KM until I sold it. (Should have brought it back with the 86 US spec.)
>>Great motor in that one!
>
>
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